Fred Logan , now theres a name from my era , i was apprentice there from 1970 to 74. My old man knew fred logan and got me an interveiw which ended with me being offered the job . Logan was a nasty vindictive little runt who took great delight in throwing things you made against the wall if they were not quite right even a small scratch on the finish , he used to shout scrap it! alot wonder if it was the same bloke mentioned earlier .Remember fred Street , Joe morrel and ernie wragg . Even remember Paul Scrivens cannot say i liked him though a bit of a bully as i remember