FLY2 10,108 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 When one of my daughters worked in the NHS nearly 15 years ago. They spent over £40k refurbishing the managers office, whilst making two nurses redundant . They must get their priorities right mustn't they? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Like here the Unhealth Service has been run- down so badly ..people go private!..who gets all the car park fees? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 One of the biggest, if not the biggest problem with the NHS is over subscription. Immigration has been allowed to expand dramatically over recent years, causing chaos within the NHS. Already there are problems with housing, schools employment. Until these problems are properley addressed I don't think the present situation will improve. Before anyone starts jumping up & down stamping their feet, this IS NOT a racist comment. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 31, 2016 Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 You'll get a visit Catfan don't you worry....I was thinking of putting- "Allegedly" after my posts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 On 31/10/2016 at 6:19 PM, catfan said: One of the biggest, if not the biggest problem with the NHS is over subscription. Immigration has been allowed to expand dramatically over recent years, causing chaos within the NHS. Already there are problems with housing, schools employment. Until these problems are properley addressed I don't think the present situation will improve. Before anyone starts jumping up & down stamping their feet, this IS NOT a racist comment. Maybe not racist.. but it's political. So to answer it, I too have to get political. And I don't think it's allowed. Incidentally, it's also wrong. The biggest challenge to the NHS is its own success. Sadly you and I are just living too long...;) Consider this: How many immigrant workers are there in the NHS? How many immigrants do they treat? Just sayin'... Col Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I find myself once again in the position of trying to answer a political statement, without starting a political argument. I'm a bit hamstrung really..... Jill and Mike. You have both quoted mostly newspaper sources to back up your assertions. These are press interpretations of a report by a bloke with an agenda. If you base your assumptions and decisions on what you read in the papers...... I'm not claiming there's no waste in the NHS, but just as an example, we only need agency nurses because we have a shortage of full time employed staff. Why is that? My bet is Govt policy on training/recruitment. But you might know better... As for Local Govt. You offer no evidence. But it is common knowledge that Local Govt. funding has been slashed at the same time that Govt. has heaped more responsibility on Local Govt. Obviously (or is it?) something has to give. So local authorities are struggling to fund 'Adult Social Care' (Looking after old folks) So more old folks are left 'bed blocking', in hospitals. So whose fault is that? NHS?.... Local Govt. ..? Central Govt..? One more time.... Quote H.L.Mencken. For every complex problem, there is a solution which is clear, simple, and wrong. For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. H. L. Mencken Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/hlmencke129796.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 My comment was not political at all. But I'm not going to have a discussion on this subject with you. You must always have the last word in any discussion. I'll admit that I'm not always right, you always insist you know best !! You have your opinion & I'll have mine ! Just sayin] 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 I get fed up of reading these useless quotes by idealistic philosophers, thinkers and downright over educated know alls who blatantly refuse to live in the real world. For every complex problem, someone just might have to correct solution ! 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tompa 285 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 For Christs sake give it a rest DJ360, confine yourself to the back benches. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siddha 825 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 DJ you are doing a good job in highlighting the likely sources/reasons for our rapidly deteriorating services. After all it is summat serious!! In my view political perspectives are particularly useful especially in those times when vulnerable folk are suffering because of the policies of doctrinaire governments. #856 the reason (not fault) for our declining services is central government's determination to move towards a free market. That is what they said they would do and that is what they are doing they won the election so the voting electorate are presumably happy with the outcome. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Far too many people turn up at A&E with petty ailments that could be treated at one of the Walk in centres. They clog up the system thereby causing waiting lists. Regarding the situation at the QMC, they recently enlarged the Major Trauma unit by moving Derby's unit there. Surely Derby should have there own. It has resulted in QMC becoming much busier unnecessarily. Another bright management decision. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,304 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Reminds me of the Anthony Trollope novel, "He knew he was right!" One of the most boring books I've ever read! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Perhaps if the Welsh, N Irish & Scots paid for their prescriptions a lot of money would be generated for the NHS ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBI 2,351 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 #856 One more time... H.L.Mencken. For every complex problem, there is a solution which is clear, simple, and wrong. Mencken was one of those folk who produced great soundbites, but which were utter bo!!ocks like the above. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Nicely put Mr.Tupper! # Didn't need a crystal ball to predict #854. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 To all. I think we've been here before. Search as you will and you will not find any example of me saying I was always right. You will also not find me insisting on the last word.. Both of the above are myths which suit certain people's agenda and approach to attempted bullying. If these people have their way. Any dumb statement can be made and then rendered untouchable simply by claiming it is 'opinion;' or playing the 'politics' card to prevent responses. It's all very tedious and childish. Tte standard of discussion here is rock bottom. It mostly consists of : " (Insert sweeping Daily Mail Level Simplistic Sweeping Statement of Choice)" Then insist that anyone who has a different view is 'Trying to get the last word/thinks he's always right'. Seemingly it never occurs to some people here that their sweeping generalisations are open to challenge. Anything more that a fixed one liner is seen as 'argument' It's not. It is discussion, but clearly it's too much for the usual suspects here. Tompa . You only post to have a go at me. Have you no views on anything else? Jill. I was surprised by your post which I responded to which kickstarted this latest bout of "Let's all have a go at Col for having the temerity to have a different view". You are an intelligent woman and whilst I don't agree with a lot of what you say, I admire your intellect. You can do better than sweeping statements like that, and attempted insults such as that you followed up with. ( #862) You'll find that deliberate insult is something else I never do here. I leave it to Dawson and Fly. Mike. Your post was political whether you lke it or not. Not party political, but political. The organisation of our public services and finances is about as political as it gets.. You cannot get away from that fact. Claiming your 'opinions' are not political doesn't render them immune to challenge. Siddha (#860) Thank you. You at least are not just lapping up and regurgitating the usual right wing press drivel. However, I've got better things to do and more grown up sites to visit, so since I'm so famous for having the last word. Here it is. Goodbye. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Bye ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 GOOD Byeeeeeeeeeeee GOOD Byeeeeeeeeeee we wish you all a last GOOD Byeeeeeeeeee 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Or even a good old fashioned Bulwell FO. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted November 2, 2016 Report Share Posted November 2, 2016 Just read #866 twice more. Talk about sweeping statements....... Utter rubbish ! You're just after a bit of sympathy mate ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tompa 285 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Quoting H.L. Mencken seems a bit strong, if one reads some of his stuff you will find the man was a Racist, Antisemite, Mysogynist and also American. Anyway DJ360 byeeeeee. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 I think you've all adequately proved my point. Supposedly thousands of site members here, but discussion is dominated and controlled by you sad people. Carry on.. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 That was the shortest goodbye!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,139 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 Sorry you gone again Col..........didn't get involved with most of the things you have a passion about,mostly because my knowledge on them is a bit lacking,.......but I believe everyone should say what they feel (within the rules) which I reckon you did............As regards same people dominating the discussions,at least they are posting,and tthat will always be the case until some of the lurkers sign up and say summut. A few on here tend to try and two-facedly bully,but they will never succeed if you take them with a pinch of Bestwood salt,............ 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,599 Posted November 3, 2016 Report Share Posted November 3, 2016 They're not lurkers anymore, Ben, they are guests! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.