mick2me 3,033 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 It is commendable that such a subject is brought up for discussion. However never let disagreements on any topic here get out of hand as some have in the past. Ironically I am sitting at my father in laws computer, housesitting, He has been taken to the City after having what sounds like a major stroke. Not saying this could be prevented but, recognising the signs is important. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
... 1,411 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Mick really hope things turn out ok for him.regards Andy C 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Thanks Andy. So do we Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,094 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Mick2me, So sorry to read your news and i hope all turns out well for your father in law. And i hope he gets the best treatment available. I must say that when i see the advert telling us all to look out for the signs of Stroke it does worry me. I will try to condense my story but want you to be aware. I am not looking for sympathy but need you to know. My sleep as you know is not good, so my hubbs has to use the spare room sometimes as i disturb him. 17.4.2005 I awoke at 1.30am, realising all was not well, excruciating headache,bad vision in left eye,Numb left side of face,arm,leg and foot,generally ill and scared. I crawled into my hubbs who drove me to hospital. After three hours, the doctor sent me home 'To Rest'. 7 days,later still in bed, Doc sent me back. Lumber Puncture and MRI showed the Stroke up. It took me 5yrs to recover, I still have partial numbness in the areas mentioned, always very cold, and an on going heart condition. But i am here and appreciate every moment, always with the chance of a recurrence. I will never understand why it was missed, so look for the symtems on the advert, but also if something feels different, get looked after. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
... 1,411 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Cami sorry to hear. that Could you explain how much of that you are aware of at the time.sorry but when i see that ad it looks so frieghtening and i wonder just how much you feel sorry if this sounds stupid but i honestly dont know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,094 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 At the time, The headache was different to any other i had, My face didn't drop but was numb, I was given tests at the hospital, one was gripping the doctors hands and being able to push, which i could do. I had a blunt instrument run up the bottom of my foot, which i could feel, i had other tests and questions and then the Doctor said it was Anxiety and patted my leg and sent me home To Rest. About a week later back at hospital, I first saw a lady Doctor who fetched the Stroke Consultant Mr Ludwick (who was Brilliant) He sent me for an MRI instantly and Lumber Puncture he showed us the results, he pointed out the stroke and from then on I was treated very well. If you had looked at me at the time it was happening, you would not have known, just that i looked unwell. A little of the numbness remains, but you would never know to look at me. I try not to take life to seriously now as Stress can stop my Meds working properly. Hope this answers your queries. For my experiences you don't always get all the expected symptoms. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,094 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 I have spelled the name of the Stroke Consultant in above post wrong, it should be Mr Lodwick not Ludwick. Sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
... 1,411 Posted November 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Thanks for that cami and i hope that was your first and last experience of that all the best Andy C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alisoncc 379 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Few are aware that there is something you can do almost instantaneously if you suspect a stroke. This can be done whilst waiting for an ambulance to wend it's way slowly through all the traffic.Take a level teaspoon of cayenne pepper in a cup of tepid water, mix well and drink. Cayenne pepper dilates the blood vessels and speeds the metabolism due to the high amounts of capsaicin. This increases circulation and blood flow to all major organs which facilitates oxygen and nutrient delivery. Capsaicin is one of the most powerful vasodilators known, and not only is it inherently safe but often readily available in many households. If there are people susceptible to strokes in the house then keeping cayenne pepper in the pantry is well worth while. Quoting from Wikipedia:Vasodilation refers to the widening of blood vessels. It results from relaxation of smooth muscle cells within the vessel walls, in particular in the large veins, large arteries, and smaller arterioles. In essence, the process is the opposite of vasoconstriction, which is the narrowing of blood vessels. When blood vessels dilate, the flow of blood is increased due to a decrease in vascular resistance. Therefore, dilation of arterial blood vessels (mainly the arterioles) decreases blood pressure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,094 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Would you say it was safe for people on medication for Atrial Fibrillation taking Warfarin? I have a personal interest Alisoncc Me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alisoncc 379 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Not sure love. Need to check with your GP. I'm not a medic, but I have spent the better part of the last couple of months researching heart matters on the Internet. Must have read thousands of academic research articles on the subject. Have a significant personal interest right now. There is one supplement that can have considerable influence on Atrial Fibrillation, that's magnesium. Adequate dietary magnesium levels are essential for the proper electrical activity of the heart. Again check with your specialist before adding it to any supplement regime. Most of my research has centered around the amino acids Arginine & Taurine for heart health and Carnitine in conjunction with CoQ10 for heart energy levels. Plus I take a magnesium supplement. These amino acids are quoted by medics as being non-essential because theoretically the body produces enough, BUT their precursors, things necessary for your body to make them, are dependant upon adequate red meat, eggs, and dairy products in a diet. Plus the ability to make them decreases with age. So if you are a twenty to thirty year old eating lots of steak, etc. then no prob. But if you are a partial vegetarian and of advancing years, then you sure as hell don't get enough to keep your heart healthy. But that's my opinion. Happy to post more info if there is any interest. Alison Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 It's sad to read of your father-in-law, mick2me. I hope he makes a full recovery. I was also sad to read of your health problems, carni. I would agree with alisoncc that you should always consult with your doctor before taking any new supplements. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted November 21, 2013 Report Share Posted November 21, 2013 Thank you, and for those who sent PMs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Should be on the aging thread, but as relates to a couple of things here I'll post it here, as some know, I had/have Lyme Disease, not much the medics could do, as no known medical treatment unless discovered early on during the infection, so it's a case of going out on your own and doning ones own research and finding a treatment that works best for oneself. During my research years back I found some things that help to clear heavy metals from the system, bare with me for a while here, as it's related to stroke prevention. During my research I found Chinese Clorella...removes aluminium, lead and a few other toxins from the body, then came across this, EDTA, it removes mercury, lead and other nasties from the body, it's an Amio Acid, so perfectly safe. It was discovered during the second world war and developed to remove lead from shipyard workers lead painting ships hulls. During clinical trials, Doctors found something remarkable happened to the test group, they noticed and logged those who had high BP were starting to lower their BP...Later those patients BP returned to normal...WHY??? EDTA isn't a drug, so why the small miracle?? On analysing those patients it was found their artieries had been "cleaned out" of plaque...So further studies were carried out, and yes, in everyone taking the controlled dose of EDTA it cleared plaque from blood vessels. Less chance of heart disease and strokes, trouble is, WW2 came to an end and soon EDTA would soon be forgotten and further research shelved through lack of fuding. A few years back, some Doctors came across this reaserch and picked up where the shipyard Doctors left off, problem now is Big Pharma isn't interested as no big bucks there, the opposite, their expensive drug profits would be harmed by a cheap Amino Acid. Anyway, enough of that argument, it works!!! I'mm 66 and I bet my BP is lower than our younger none smoking members... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fynger 841 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Looks to be clever stuff John ( EDTA ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Worked for me Kev, I'm into natural stuff that has a good track record of working without causing other problems....When I was reading about EDTA, someone said, when you start taking it, take a sample of your urine first thing in the morning for a few days and examine it, yep, loads of debris, what it is I can only assume without a lab analysis, but it looks like fine sand, I presume it's hardened plaque... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,094 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Ayupmeducks, Thank you for the information, Very kind of you to pass it to us, it does sound very interesting and I am pleased you have found something that works for you. I take daily a variety of powerful drugs that are worked out for me by the Hospital Cardiologist and they are fine tuned not to interfere with the way each other works. So even though I like the sound of the discoveries you have made, I wouldn't try them for my self, it took so long to find the treatment that works for me that i am reluctant to try anything not prescribed. I don't want to rock the boat! Thank you and i wish you good health for the future. PS For some reason i am pleased to say, my blood pressure is always fine! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Just checked my BP 126/78...Not bad for 66 years of age!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 'EDTA' was familiar to me, then I remembered where I had seen it before. Small blood sample bottles for taking blood samples at Post mortems. I remember taking one plain (DNA) one EDTA, Drugs Alcohol? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 It's one of those Amino Acids with a long name shortened to EDTA Mick... Ethylene Diamine Tetracetic Acid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OLDACE 196 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Checked EDTA out on line, £99.00 for 6 weeks treatment, any comments or advice before I buy are welcome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 GOOD GRIEF!!! Pay that sort of money out you're being robbed!! We only pay a fraction of that for about two months of capsules.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 This is what the Missus paid for the last lot she bought for us... http://www.pipingrock.com/edta-calcium-disodium?prd=D00054&mkwid=sQE30oNVi&pcrid=29404963962&pmt=e&pkw=edta&gclid=CNrP1Oye-boCFQto7AodvGMAgQ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,730 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 Here's a UK supplier on UK Amazon at cheaper than what you found.. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Source-Naturals-Edta-240-Caps/dp/B003O4D8VC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fynger 841 Posted November 22, 2013 Report Share Posted November 22, 2013 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Natural-EDTA-600-100-Capsules/dp/B00014IA0C Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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