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I remember 2 fish trains in the early 1960s.  We used to run home from school to see the first, which as I recall ran south through Bulwell Common at  either 4:15 or 4:30. The later one was at about 6 or 6:30.. or 'after tea'...  Normally pulled by 'Brits' at that time, though other types appeared occasionally.

 

Cliff.  As far as I know the 'cut through' you have 'red arrowed' above is still there, though it no longer has the 'Bestwood Park Branch' over it running off the GC mainline.  I last used it a few years ago to walk through to the Railway Club ( which appears to be not yet built) and would be between the cut through and St Albans Rd, which is just about visible top right.

 

Marble Arch and the other arches mentioned above were on the other side of Bulwell Common.  That is, over to the left from your pic, and on the far side of Hucknall Rd.  The first was close to where I think Fly now lives..a couple of hundred yards nearer to Bulwell Common.  It cut under the Leen Valley line onto Andover Road Bestwood Estate. The next was just beyond Rigley's wagon works and when I was a kid just ran onto a track which we called 'Lover's Lane' and which accessed Top Valley.. or Topvalley Farm. It now provides access through the banking to  Top Valley Way.  I think it also provided access on the left up to Forest Farm.  The third cut under the Leen Valley line and was an access for, I think, Rise Farm.  It is now the main access to Rise Park.  Finally, As Benjamin points out, there was/is another arch.. 'round the corner on the right' on Bestwood Road.  That is.. on the right as you head to Bestwood Colliery.  As far as I can make out.. it provided access to Forge Farm.

 

Here's a current 'Google' version of each:

 

Marble Arch:  https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.994361,-1.177091,148m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

Top Valley Way:  https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.003702,-1.18047,147m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

Bestwood Park Drive West.: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0102077,-1.1845876,153m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

Forge Farm: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0186939,-1.1820505,146m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

And the whole area: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.0086485,-1.1806649,5175m/data=!3m1!1e3

 

Thinking back to what a lovely area it was before the march of 'suburbia' conquered it, always makes me rather wistful.

 

Col

 

 

 

 

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Brilliantly put Col. Yes, the Brits were early 60's. Most I believe came from Stratford or Stewart's Lane.I attended FFGS from 56 - 62, so I was scurrying off to Carrington or Bulwell Common from say 58 onwards. I did see most of the Immingham allocation, but in my earliest visits, it was predominantly the superb K3's, B1's, and occasionally Standard 5's. Sometimes, there was a double header of two K3's, or a B1 coupled with a K3. 

God, I wish I still had all my notebooks, but other than one solitary 57 ABC, my mother binned them when I had the temerity to leave home! I've never forgiven her, and never will. 

Yes.... A lovely area in those days. 

I returned in a totally different capacity years later, as in March - September 68, I embarked on a fruitless career as a self employed ice cream salesman. I often parked outside the Deerstalker in order to cash up after a trying day. Crikey, how different things are now. 

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9 hours ago, DJ360 said:

Cliff.  As far as I know the 'cut through' you have 'red arrowed' above is still there, though it no longer has the 'Bestwood Park Branch' over it running off the GC mainline.  I last used it a few years ago to walk through to the Railway Club ( which appears to be not yet built) and would be between the cut through and St Albans Rd, which is just about visible top right.

 

It seems to still be there on Streetview, although these days that embankment is totally hidden by the growth of trees and bushes.

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Thanks Fly.

I was never very 'up' on the workings of the system.  I could distinguish such things as 8F 9F, 'Austerity', V2, Brit, A4 and the other 'glamorous' types, but the assorted other 'B/J/K/O etc., types were beyond my comprehension.

I was a pretty regular visitor to the Deerstalker in 1968 so will probably have seen your Ice Cream van.. :)  But even by '68 the best was over.  By then the two fields opposite Southglade Road had been 'converted' from a meadow in a hollow, surrounded by hawthorn hedges and oak trees, into a rubble covered mound over which we could no longer see easily across to Bulwell or catch the amazing sunsets I recall from my childhood.

Progress eh?  :(

 

Col

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Cliff, I think that the growth of trees etc., is the major change affecting the apearance of the whole area around Bulwell Common and especially its perimiters.  I've mentioned before I think that when I was small it was classic 'heathland', featuring coarse grass and Gorse, with very few trees and also exposed sandstone and so on.  I Imagine it was like that due to earlier grazing by sheep or somesuch and that this is why it was distinguished from farmland by the title 'common'.   The natural progression AIUI would be for Birch Scrub to invade and if this wasn't kept down by grazing it would over time lead to the replacement of Birch by Beech, Oak etc.  Since the Golf course existed from around 1900 or a little before, I assume that originally young trees were kept down by the course managers, but at some point in the last 30-50 years, a conscious decision to let trees grow (or maybe even plant trees) has been taken.

 

This is interesting:  http://www.nottsgolfunion.com/history_and_mission

 

Col

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I sold Mr Softee ice cream Col, and there was never a dull moment on Bestwood Estate even then.

See my posts in the Ice Cream Sellers topic.

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23 hours ago, BulwellBrian said:

 

I am a bit puzzled as I recall such a bridge on this line but I remember it as further towards Moor Bridge. Perhaps I mis remember.

 

 

Brian, are you thinking of the bridge which took the Bestwood Park Branch over the bottom of Hucknall Rd just before its junction with Bestwood Road?

 

Col

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No Col the bridge on Cliff's map is the one I remember but the perspective of the photo make it look closer to the viaduct than my legs remember.

 

My memory of the common is like yours with lots of gorse but no trees.

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Calling Benjamin and any others who may be able to help.  I'm trying to establish when the landfill opposite Southglade Road on Bestwood Estate was started, and when it was completed.  In my memory, it started around 1960-61 and was pretty much all over by about 1966-7. possibly earlier.

 

Unlike today.. when there would no doubt be a huge outcry and lots of placard waving.. there was little fuss or fanfare.  Machinery just turned up one day and started digging up all of the topsoil in the area where the Gala Bingo is now.  They then started tipping and filling up the beautiful hollow until the level was well above that of the actual street.  Not much consideration for local residents. They just did it.

Any other memories?

 

Col

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DJ360 I think you are correct on those dates, as far I can recall there was no consultation on it, not that I would have paid any attention to it, the first I can remember is a never ending stream of Council refuse lorries using Andover Road to access it, also the horrendous amount of rubbish blowing about.

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Can't recall any of that.........i must have been up and there in 60/61 on me Marsdens granville bike.........probably too interested in the lovely girls up that end...........Susan,,Julie,,Carol,,Kathleen,, on Southglade.......Jean,,Rita,,Barbara,,.....Andover.......not forgetting Carol and Pamela on Eardley..........:rolleyes:

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I have never heard of any refuse being tipped in that area, but prior to building the Tesco  at top valley, they were using a crawler crane with probably a 10 tonne weight that they just dropped all day long for weeks, probably to consolidate the ground.

Probably be in the late 80s.

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If you turn onto Gala way from Hucknall rd you can see remains of the old tip on the left hand side.

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I moved to Leahy Gardens in I believe 1975, it was a new build anyway. I used to walk my whippet over the park and what remained of the tip, had a few rabbits from there.

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Image above is the one Kev posted a few pages back.  For 'orientation' purposes it is basically looking east.  Bottom right looks like the Leen meandering through Basford.

Hucknall Road is running from near top right to half way up left side.  Houses in lower left quarter are basically Highbury Vale estate with Kersall Drive etc. standing out in white.  If you look at the fields above Hucknall Road at the left side of pic, the first complete field ( greyish, with a paler one to its right) and the one above it, also greyish.. then the right hand boundary of those two fields became Southglade Road.  Those two fields ( and nowhere else..) are where the landfill occurred.  Gala Bingo is now where the bottom right corner of the first complete grey field above Hucknall Road.is.  The hedgerow separating the upper grey field from the lower one was directly opposite No. 46/48 Southglade Road.  (Once they were built....   ;)   )  Following the future Southglade Rd. upwards on the pic brings you to Southglade Farm.  Follow the hedge to the right and you are basically climbing the present Padstow Road. The next hedge heading upwards on the pic towards a small clump of trees is taking you to the spinney which had Padstow school to its right. 

 

Col

 

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6 hours ago, taxi ray said:

I have never heard of any refuse being tipped in that area, but prior to building the Tesco  at top valley, they were using a crawler crane with probably a 10 tonne weight that they just dropped all day long for weeks, probably to consolidate the ground.

Probably be in the late 80s.

 

Tesco is basically on what was, in my memory, the 'office' bit of Rigley's.  I have no idea why they'd do that 'consolidating'.  Pretty certain there was no landfill there.   I worked on some of the groundwork and drains around the traffic island there, where the Ridgeway comes down to Top Valley Drive or whatever it's called now.

That said..the Rigleys works had a lot of sidings which headed out on a bank to the edge of the fields I've already identified.  Rigley's also operated a sand quarry to the east of their works.  I suppose that would need to be filled in.

Hmm....

Col

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And this is the area from another angle. The twisting curve top-to-bottom is Hucknall Road and the railway line. The arrow is Rigley's place. The bridge over the railway on the left is Kersall Drive. The farm in the centre-right is Southglade Farm.

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Taxi Ray and Col the tracked vehicle (crawler crane) would be a pile driver,driving long concrete pillars in the ground to give the main building a solid platform to build on,those concrete pillars are about a foot square and upto thirty plus feet long,most of them are made by a company in Balderton near Newark by a company called Centrum Pilings

 

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Interesting Rog,

I wonder if there was maybe some mining subsidence causing an issue?  There was certainly plenty of it in the fields around the area .  Lots of 'pit cracks' opened up over time.  Some were quite spectacular and scary.  They usually just filled in naturally as the sand and soft rock just collapsed into them.

 

Another excellent pic Kev.  If you follow Hucknall Road from Kersall Drive along towards Rigleys, you come to a point where a light coloured track or path snakes down from the Bulwell Common Station overbridge to meet Hucknall Rd. The hedgerow which runs from that point towards Soughtglade Farm is now  the original Southglade Road, which extended only as far as the left edge of the narrow meadow to the left of Southglade Farm. The two fields immediately above Southglade Road are where the landfill was. The foreshortening effect of the photograph makes the hills and hollows much less obvious, but if you look at the railway embankment from Southglade Rd to Rigley's, you can see the extent of its shadow.. which gives a clue.

At the top of the first 'Southglade' field towards Rigleys, you can make out a large tree, tucked in the corner.  That was growing from the original field level, i.e. below the railway embankment.  Not shown is the fact that in later years Rigleys somehow developed the area above that tree and field boundary. and bounded by a faint hedge on the right, into a series of rail sidings.  These were always full of railway wagons awaiting attention when I was a kid in the 1950s and early 60s.  Rigley's raised the land for those sidings, creating an embankment along the top edge of the field, running from the tree in the corner along the top of the 'Southglade field' to where there are two trees and a 'T' junction in the hedges.  The 'corner tree' was a favourite spot, because we had a rope swing on it.  We could climb up the Rigleys bank and then swing down out out over the field at quite a height.  I still have scars on my fingers from catching them on a metal label fixed to the rope.  That smarted a bit!

 

I could go on endlessly about that pic.. but I won't....  ;)

 

Col

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I've given you a like, Col, not because I know that area but because you've written such an accurate, detailed description and I can imagine you swinging on a rope swing when you were little!

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This should link to a current view which I've tried to get as close as poss to Kev's pic.  Gala Bingo is the big white building at the left ed of Southglade.. where the landfill first started.  To the right is Forum Road emerging directly opposite the house I was raised in.  I still don't understand the point of that road.  It has just become a 'rat run' from Hucknall Road via Gala Way. massively increasing traffic on Southglade road which was never built or designed to carry so much.  Another example of Nottm Council's cavalier attitude to the residents of Bestwood Estate.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.9865505,-1.1694235,491a,35y,340.87h,65.9t/data=!3m1!1e3

 

Col

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2 hours ago, plantfit said:

Taxi Ray and Col the tracked vehicle (crawler crane) would be a pile driver,driving long concrete pillars in the ground to give the main building a solid platform to build on,those concrete pillars are about a foot square and upto thirty plus feet long,most of them are made by a company in Balderton near Newark by a company called Centrum Pilings

 

Rog

The crane was not pile driving, it was basically dropping a large steel weight onto the ground repeatedly, it would have been about 15 foot long by 8 foot wide and 2 feet thick. I noticed it a lot as I used to walk my dog in that area.

 

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The road past the bingo place does provide Bestwood dwellers with a shorter route than queuing at Arnold Rd traffic lights. 

It never appears that busy though, as surely only local residents use it. I can't see motorists using it to get to Oxclose Lane .

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Thanks for that Taxi Ray,not seen one of those,will do a bit of searching

 

Rog

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Train-spotting question..........when did trains stop using the curvy line parallel to Hucknall Road?  (aka the GN line from Leen Valley Junction to Bestwood).

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