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I know geographicaly nottm is in the Midlands,but when iam down south they call me northern and vice versa a southerner when up north,ive always felt more northern,the way we speak etc. i just remember when the 3rd division in football was split north/south and the daft thing was Notts were classed as north and Forest south.would love to get your thoughts

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Reminds me of an Irish guy I worked with.

"What part of Ireland do you come from Paddy?"

"Well... the north of the south... or is it the south of the north?"

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#3 So why was lincoln in 3rd division north,and south of the Trent,anther conundrum,only joking,Andy

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the county borders are well wobbly,did you realise that parts of notts are further north than parts of yorkshire and even as far north as Liverpool,so we cant be midlanders can we :biggrin:

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I always thought the Trent was the historical dividing line, but no doubt some expert will come up with a more technical result.

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The ancient Watling Street (more or less the A5 road) is historically a significant dividing line - it was used to separate the Danelaw from the Anglo-Saxon south. It was a diagonal line running more or less from London to Chester. There was also a more north than north - Northumbria.

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As far as I am aware there is no definitive divide but I also think like Andy and B/Red that a line from the Severn to the Humber which approximates to the old Danelaw/Anglo Saxon divide. This puts Lincs in the South and the Welsh in the North, Medders in the North and Bread and Lard Island in the South ( no surprise there then!)

Up to the Sixties, some Companies used this yardstick when supplying Company cars, those above the line having a heater fitted but not for those below in the tropical South!

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man living on the England/Scotland border ,it ran thru the middle of his house,was asked by the local authoritys, WEVE GOT TO PLACE YOU IN ONE OR THE OTHER,WHICH COUNTRY DO YOU WANT TO BE IN? england he said, WHY ?they asked,he replied "CANT STAND THE SCOTTISH WINTERS !

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Anyway Nottinghamshire is neither north nor south hence the title "Queen Of The Midlands" as noted in the first post. And tis situated in the centre of England too looking at a map.

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Anyway Nottinghamshire is neither north nor south hence the title "Queen Of The Midlands" as noted in the first post. And tis situated in the centre of England too looking at a map.

my question was,#1,do you feel more north or south,i know we in the midlands :)

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I know...sorry praps that's one of my "annoying habits" reading the full thread after I've posted...but I have always been in the middle myself anyway, being the second born of three!!!! And I always regard myself as a middling one in my roots. Not miserable enough to be a northerner (Mainly Yorkshire folk...lovely area but lots of them are soooooo miserable) and just wouldn't want to be a sathener! Where I come from I say bath and path, I do not elongate my a's in hopes of sounding a bit posher like wot I'm not :laugh:

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apology accepted darkazana, :biggrin: :biggrin: anyway i agree with your sentiments,cmon Lizzie m ,wheres yours :biggrin:

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As a born & bred Nottinghamian, I've always felt a lot more affinity with the friendly north, rather than them miserable boggers down south.

Just try smiling at, or talking to, people in London and the south east and see what reaction you get. More often than not, they think you're mad.

Folk up North would smile back, and stop and chat.

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Paul, this is a difficult one for me to answer. Watford Gap has, I thought, always supposedly been the dividing line between North and South ......

I spent my first 25 years living in Notts, not far out of the city. Then the next 30 years in village and market town locations in Oxfordshire, Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire. Been back in Nottingham CITY for almost 10 years.

I've been equally happy wherever I've lived but to be honest in the places 'down south' I would meet more friendly people I knew while out shopping etc. than I do out and about around Nottingham - but then again, it's not easy to hear English being spoken in Nottingham these days :( I've never found folk down there unfriendly at all. Go into London and it's different again, nobody will strike up a conversation. If I have to live in a city anywhere in the UK then Nottingham has to be the one.

I've never lost my Nottingham accent, even though I'm married to a southerner and my kids speak with a southern accent. I've never had a 'broad Nottingham' accent in any case.

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thanks for that LizzieM,YOU ARE RIGHT,there are nice folk down south as well,and yes the laungage of nottm. has changed

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My wife's parents, uncles and aunts were all from London. I think people, and races, get stereotyped but, in truth, there's not much difference between any of us. When I was a kid and living on Grainger Street, off Meadow Lane, neighbours would come to our house to borrow a couple of shillings until their husband got paid on the Friday. If we found we'd run out of tea or milk etc and Mrs Wright's shop across the road was closed, I would get sent round to the neighbours until I found someone who'd got some spare. That's how it was in those days. When the Booth family left Grainger Street and moved to a palace (it seemed like one, after Grainger Street..lol), I found the community spirit that we'd had was no more. In todays world people are wary of strangers and you can't really blame them. You only have to read the newspapers or watch the TV news to see why. I can remember, many years ago, my first visit to Scotland, a place that had a reputation for being tight (misers) and hating the English. I'd bought a big six berth tent and our first experience of it was when I decided to stay at a caravan/camping place in Oban. I laid all the tent bits out on the grass and then the fun started. My wife and I plus the kids (two fostered), tried to assemble the big tent but were getting nowhere, mainly because it had started getting windy and cold and the kids were too young to hold the posts steady. Two Scottish chaps, who had a large caravan, came to help us and before long there were six Scottish people helping us. While we were assembling the tent, our kids were sat in one of the caravans, looking at us through the window as they tucked into their coffee and biscuits which they'd been given by a Scottish lady. We experienced this friendliness throughout our Scottish holiday. It just goes to show the myths that we grew up with. There are grumpy and friendly people wherever you go. In answer to benjamin1945's original question, I've never thought of myself as a Northerner or Southerner, I've always been a Midlander.

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Michael I am pleased you made the reference to the help you got on the campsite, because I have found generally all campers are helpful to each other, no matter where they come from, or where you are. They are a good crowd to be around. And I have always found the Scots quite an outgoing and friendly people despite their reputation, and have had great times socialising with them.

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Its all relative, When I lived in Nottingham the North started at Worksop and the South at Leicester.

To my wife's family who lived in North London the North started in Watford (not even Watford Gap) and the South at the Thames.

On a similar theme when I was a child in Bulwell if we went to the city centre we went down Nottingham, But my uncle who lived in Mansfield went up Notts.

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