The Engineer 614 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Mam recalled going to a Lyon's shop somewhere on Long Row, maybe just after the war. I popped into the Archives to look it up for her and found it in Kelly's dated 1936. I transcribed the whole of Long Row so thought I'd post it here in case anyone else has an interest. By the way, the Archives are closing at 1245pm on 18 October for some building works and re-opening next Spring. Anyways, here's what Long Row was like back then: Kelly’s Directory of Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire 1936 Long Row East --- Clumber Street --- 1,2,3 Skinner & Rook, wine merchants 4a Rumbles & Harrison, wholesale milliners 5 Personal Services League 6 F Coleridge, costumier 7 Meakers Ltd, gents’ outfitters --- Maypole yard --- 8 Mrs Emelia Gauntley, tobacconist 9 Maypole Dairy Co. Ltd, butter merchant 10 Black Boy Hotel 11-13 Manfield & Sons Ltd, boot & shoe manufacturer 14 Stead & Simpson Ltd, boot & shoe maker 14a Ciné Studios 14a Brookfield, Aitchinson & Co. Ltd, Manchester warehousemen --- Swann’s Yard --- 15 Hind, Belt & Ratcliffe, solicitors 15 F W Browne, accountant Alfred Harwood, accountant 15 Benjamin Gough, paper merchant 16 Foster, Blackett & James, paint manufacturers 16 Midland Bank Ltd 17-18 W Barrett & Co. Ltd, boot dealer 19 Coop Insurance Society 19 Alexandrine, dress agency 19 Mrs Fay Harrison, ladies’ hairdresser 20 Henry Dodgson Ltd, costumiers --- Greyhound Street --- 21 Fitzhugh & Carr, chemist 21 Henry Sharp, warehouseman 22 Craddock Bros. Ltd, boot & shoe makers --- King Street --- Long Row Central 25 Salmon & Gluckstein Ltd, tobacconists 26 Saxone Shoe Co. Ltd, boot & shoe maker 27 George Dean, tailor Mrs M A Venner, hairdresser Miss Mabel Wilford, dance teacher 30 Law Union & Rock Insurance Co. Ltd 30 School of cookery 30 Percy Williams, cigar maker 31 H Samuel Ltd, jeweller 32 Rivoli Glove Co. Ltd, ladies’ hosiers and glovers 34 J Lyons & Co. Ltd, caterers 35 Camille, costumier --- Norfolk Place --- 36 Black Boy Chocolate Co Ltd, confectioners 36a Miss Nellie Clarke, ladies’ hairdresser 36a Ron Eason, hairdresser 37 Page Gowns Cauldon Chambers: Wilton Club Co. Ltd Campbell Bros. (Nottm) Ltd, turf commission agents Arthur Robson, hairdresser 38 The Goldsmiths, jeweller 39 Mikado Café Co. 40-44 Griffin & Spalding, restaurant 40-44 Griffin & Spalding, drapers, furnishers, etc. --- Market Street --- Long Row West 48 Walter Scott (men’s wear) Ltd, gents’ outfitter 49 Yates Bros. & Co., victualler, Talbot & King’s Hall & St. James’ Restaurant 50-51 Hope Bros. Ltd, outfitters 52 Calverts’ Stores, grocer The Woodlands: Calverts’ Café, dining, tea rooms, etc. 53-56 Pearson Bros. (Nottm) Ltd, ironmongers, etc. 57 Henry Farmer & Co. Ltd, wireless dealers --- Hurts Yard --- 58-59 Windmill Café 59 Bernard Smith, ladies’ hairdresser 60 Singer Sewing Machine Company Ltd 61 T N Parr, pork butcher 62a L Verity, optician 62 James Smith & Sons (cleaners) Ltd, dyers and cleaners 63-64 Cavendish Furniture Co. Ltd 65 Royal Midland Institute for the Blind, basket & brush makers 65a Melton Chambers: Provident Clothing & Supply Co. Ltd, credit check traders Madame Finetta, milliner --- Dragon Yard --- 67 John Turner, victualler, George & Dragon West End Meat Market 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,458 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Mam recalled going to a Lyon's shop somewhere on Long Row, maybe just after the war. Amazing how many people here can remember Lyons on Long Row. It's been mentioned in several threads, but it's difficult to find a photo which shows the place clearly. You can see the name just beyond the rear of the bus. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Merthyr Imp 729 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 When did it close? 1970ish? Wish I had a sausage roll for every time I've had a - er - sausage roll there. My mother worked in the shop part for a time in the late 1960s. Here's a bus photo from a later period which shows it: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,088 Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 If you have ever watched Nigella Lawson's episode of "Who Do You Think You Are", you will have noticed that her family used to own Salmon & Gluckstein (25 Long Row). Montague Gluckstein went on to found Lyons (34 Long Row) in 1894, while Imperial Tobacco bought out the business of Salmon & Gluckstein in 1902. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Salmon & Gluckstein ....wonder if they were Jewish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 By 1950 number 34 Long Row had been taken over by Dolcis shoe company(Kelly's) It is interesting to see from the directories I have to notice the many change that have taken place on Long Row over the years. I have quite a few directories in my collection of books on Nottingham & shire (earliest 1844) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chulla 4,946 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 When I started going out with the wife, I met her off the Sherwood bus that terminated outside of Lyons. First time, she said 'I'll meet you outside Lyons'. I waited alongside one of the lions outside the Council House and wondered why she didn't turn up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,458 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Some of the oldest pictures on Pic the Past are Long Row; such as this in the 1880s, before King / Queen Street had been knocked through. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Nice pic Cliff...The vast Market Place,Hansom cabs and a wealth of stores on the aptly named Long Row.This would be what the rich would see on their shopping visits,And yet to the rear the unseen warren of 'The Rookery' a huge area of alleys and slum housing and abject poverty soon to be wiped out by the council and not before time. Shame these areas were rarely recorded by early photographers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,532 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'm guessing now but is Market Street today just off the map to the left, Queen St/King St today where Wheatsheaf Yard/Hound Street is on the map and Pelham Street today where Black Boy Yard is on the map? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,532 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 I'm guessing now but is Market Street today just off the map to the left, Queen St/King St today where Wheatsheaf Yard/Hound Street is on the map and Pelham Street today where Black Boy Yard is on the map? The one I have called Pelham Street - I actually mean Clumber Street Don't know me way round yet Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,458 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Not quite. Extending poohbears map a bit further east, you can now see Clumber street on the extreme right, which puts the rest in perspective. Black Boy Yard is - not surprisingly - connected to the Black Boy Hotel, although that's the earlier version before it was redesigned by Watson Fothergill. For the future location of King / Queen Street, I've put a red arrow on the lower half of the road marked as Greyhound Street. That still exists today, so K/Q Street are immediately to the west of that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,532 Posted September 25, 2014 Report Share Posted September 25, 2014 Well I would never have believed that that little alley would be Greyhound Street. I am assuming that it is the little alley where there is a public loo and NCT bus drivers also disappear down there. Must be some sort of canteen facility for them. Must go down again with my camera, it might be a bit of an insight into how it was prior to demolition Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,681 Posted December 14, 2016 Report Share Posted December 14, 2016 On 25/09/2014 at 0:42 AM, Rob.L said: If you have ever watched Nigella Lawson's episode of "Who Do You Think You Are", you will have noticed that her family used to own Salmon & Gluckstein (25 Long Row). Montague Gluckstein went on to found Lyons (34 Long Row) in 1894, while Imperial Tobacco bought out the business of Salmon & Gluckstein in 1902. Louis Gluckstein , brother of Montague was an MP for Nottingham East 1931-1945 . Louis seen here in a local factory . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dhardoon 0 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Hello, I'd be very grateful for some local knowledge to help me out with my investigations! I'm currently researching a documentary for BBC Radio Four about pen pals and am trying to track down Rosemary Hope, whose father worked as a fashion designer in Nottingham in the '60s and '70s. I wondered whether he had any connection with the Hope Bros outfitters shop mentioned in the OP. Does anyone remember anything about the proprietors of that establishment? Thanks in advance for your help, Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,681 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Doubt she was connected to that shop . Hope Bros appear to have been a national chain. In the 1920s their head office was Ludgate Hill , London . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,139 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I seem to recall 'Hope bros' mens Tailors in the 60s.......somewhere in town........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dhardoon 0 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 I see, thank you David. Anyone else who recalls anything about the Hope family, please let me know! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DAVIDW 1,681 Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Funnily enough for a fairly common name there seem to be few birth/marriage records in Nottingham for a Rosemary Hope . ( Unless Rosemary was a middle name ? and of course she could have been born anywhere and later moved to Notts). There is a marriage in 1987 in Nottingham for a Rosemary J Hope to a David P Izard . On the electoral registers there is a property in Coventry with those two Izard names . Gives her age range as 50-55 . It would be a miracle if it was the right lady but you never know ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Peterp2 0 Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Hope Brothers opened there store at 50/51 Long row west in 1904 they had been in business since 1880s Ann there head office Ludgate hill London. 1969 saw them move to no 3 Long row east but in1971 begin the great closing down which them disappear from the high streets of the nation. I began my working life with Hope brothers in 1967 as. Junior salesman a 16 year old just out of school. I closed the Eastbourne branch as a 20 year old manager in 1971 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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