The Pianoman 1,531 Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Absolutely nothing wrong with the bus service. Bus stops are also at more frequent intervals than tram stops. No ridiculous expense of laying tracks, no inconvenience to peoples lives, homes businesses etc. Totally pointless it coming west of Cinder Hill. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chulla 4,946 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Can't agree with you, Malcolm; anything that cuts down the traffic at the Nuthall island at the rush-hours has to be worth considering. Get in the queue that stretches from the new Bulwell cemetery to the island, where the traffic lights only let four vehicles through at a time, and you might chnage your mind. To the left of the A610 from the M1 to the Nuthall island is a huge field that could be a tram stop and car park. The problem might be in how to get to the field - a flyover over the island? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 The lights only let four cars through is because most drivers don't pay attention . Once the lights turn amber, the first six at least should be moving in unison. Not one move off then the second considers moving etc. it's the same at Basford Crossing. If folk paid more attention, then more would get through. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 859 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 The route the Kimberley tram wants to take is such a bad idea....The Tunnel is blocked Kimberley end....also if the tram comes through there, they will destroy the cutting between the tunnel and the brewery....The tunnel now has houses on top of it.....the secret bunker is no more as it was being turned into a guest house........loadsa other reasons why its a bad idea too. What Brewery??????????? Do you mean that derelict site destroyed by Greene King? Yes, I still hate that corporate, destructive company, the only pub in Braintree that serves anything but their tainted beer is Whetherspoons, hats off to them for making a stand against them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
StephenFord 866 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Re #29 - too true. I don't know if they start texting while the lights are on red (or maybe get their knitting out). Then suddenly there is a hoot from behind and they look up, see the empty road in front of them, and start to ponder "Now where on earth did I put the gear lever?" Never mind these "Think once, think twice, think bike" signs by the side of the road. What we need is "Don't multi-task when driving!" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,435 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Don't forget the other cause of extended waiting at junctions - cars with Stop / Start technology. It's perfectly good if the driver is paying attention and anticipates lights, but if they don't press the clutch pedal until the lights change, then the wait gets longer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 #32. Cliff Ton. Sorry I have to disagree with you regarding stop-start technology. My car has it & is one of the best ideas since pneumatic tyres were invented. Depressing the clutch pedal & the engine comes to life straight away, no iffs or buts but instantly ! I've tried to beat it, but can't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I've never understood the stop / start system. Surely the battery gets drained with continual restarting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 My Missus has had this technology for years..i stop working... she starts moaning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Likewise Ian Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,435 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 #32. Cliff Ton. Sorry I have to disagree with you regarding stop-start technology. My car has it & is one of the best ideas since pneumatic were invented. Depressing the clutch pedal & the engine comes to life straight away, no iffs or buts but instantly ! I've tried to beat it, but can't. No, I agree with you !! My car has S/S as well and it took me about 5 minutes to get used to it. I think it's great. The problem is people out there driving S/S cars and still haven't mastered the art of anticipating the lights and pressing the pedal at the right time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 FLY, s/s won't work if the battery is not at optimum voltage & other important criteria are not met, very complex arrangement ! There is a switch on the dash to switch the thing off if required. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBI 2,351 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 When the car engine's at normal operating temperature, the battery drain is negligible and is replenished within seconds of re-starting. I don't know about getting used to the pedals on a manual, but in an automatic car, the system is virtually unnoticeable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'll have a fumble tonight,see if I can locate it!! ( lol) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TBI 2,351 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Sorry Pete...I meant Brewery 'site' No need to apologise Fynger, we all knew what you meant. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,531 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 #28 I have been on all roads into that roundabout at all times of the day, I drive for a living. Try being on the A610 queuing to go north or south on to the M1 or coming into Nottingham at 8.30 am. A major reason that only 4 cars get through is due to dozy drivers. An easier way to shorten the queues rather than installing trams and all the rest of the inconvenience that comes with it is simply to put on extra buses. The bus companies need to be encouraged to do so. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 But the tram must take three time the passengers that a bus takes ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,531 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Perhaps. Not many seats on the tram so people are packed on standing. Trent/Barton or whatever they call themselves these days don't have double deckers. It would help if they did at least at peak periods. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,531 Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 And another thing. How many extra trams can you put on at peak periods on a single track? You can put as many extra buses on as you like. you also have to persuade people to use them of course Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 The number of trams you can run depends on the signaling system and how close together the trams are permitted to run. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Forgive my ignorance, but as an outsider; every time I come to Nottm- car restrictions around the Square seem to radiate further. My thoughts were that buses would eventually be phased out- cars from say Glasshouse st up to Chapel bar area would be banned and a huge emphasis on tram useage. Plus maybe in the future (or now!!) Car parking and bus fares will rocket in price ' steering all to use it to attempt a recovery of the installation costs...just a thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted September 5, 2015 Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 I don't think you're far wrong Ian. This loony labour council's pet project can't be spoiled by a few "naysayers", This council will make everyone use the tram by hook or by crook. When all of the alternatives have been removed by making them too expensive, only the tram will be left. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Can we keep politics out of it please. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 Where's the politics ? Just stating a fact. We are controlled in Nottingham by a Labour Council are we not ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swe62 334 Posted September 6, 2015 Report Share Posted September 6, 2015 outdated expensive junk 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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