The Engineer 542 Posted September 22, 2015 Report Share Posted September 22, 2015 The rule-bending ethos of VW should fit in nicely at Red Bull Racing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomlinson 879 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 When it comes to money, anything goes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,029 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I was wondering if Mercs are effected by this emission scam?Also where do purchasers of used vehicles stand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Smiffy49 590 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 If it is found that certain cars are the wrong side of the emissions league table what might this mean for the ordinary family driver and indeed company car drivers? I seem to think that road tax is based on the emissions of particular models and company car drivers have their personnel tax adjusted each year against these emissions. If over a period of time someone has used a car in the wrong band (due to this finding) are the government going to want the tax back? How long has this been going on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redbowen 131 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 what penalty for this?it was no accident but done with intent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
broxtowelad 175 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I don't suppose the Government would want all the diesel cars and lorries off the road. Just think of all the revenue they'd be missing out on! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 They face fines of billions of dollars over here for that little problem, so many thousands per day per vehicle, estimated at over 35,000 vehicles. And still no recall of Vw's and Audis as of yet. And the fines keep climbing.....I'll bet this puts them on a bankcruptcy level in the US before it's finished. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PeverilPeril 3,176 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Chances are that other manufacturers were doing the same. Economy figures have been 'bent' for years by taping up joints etc., as well as fiddling the software. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tomlinson 879 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 A valid point was made on the T.V. last night. A 'foreign' car was the subject of the research and findings of the U.S.A. - American cars, e.g. Ford or Chrysler, were not investigated. It was said on the T.V. that our tests are more stringent (?) but this could be the opening of a mighty can of worms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barclaycon 569 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 It's simply greed. Lying and cheating. Whizz kids thinking that they can bend the rules to suit themselves and no-one will notice. A bit like the Toyota debacle of a few years ago when they started using cheap parts in high price luxury vehicles and when things started to fail they denied there was a problem. Unfortunately people started dying before they admitted that they were at fault. Such things destroy reputations and brand names built up over many decades. It is down to executives. That's why the CEO Martin Winterkorn is a goner ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 The cars in question were diesel engined and made at VW America's plant in Tennessee, not imported. Chrysler is owned by a European car company, both Ford and General Motors are now international companies, all three of the "big three" get into regulatory trouble pretty often. There is no bias on the US regulatory agencies, they just want fossil fueled vehicles off the road period.. California is in the process of introducing new regulations for big rig diesel engines that none of the diesel engine manufacturers will be able to meet. That will add an extra tax on diesel fuel...Who will end up paying??? The consumer of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,782 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Trouble nowadays you don't know what you could be driving. My British Ford car built in Spain with an Italian engine with German electrics is a bit of everything ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,106 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 They call them Hybrids and charge you extra ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,782 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Not a hybrid FLY, just a run of the mill Ford ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barclaycon 569 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 ......and he's gone ! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-34340997 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,355 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Slightly off topic but similar dishonesty issues. Guy over here, some kind of hedge fund manager bought a phamaceutical company. Then he proceeds to jack up the price of one of it's main products 5000%. $14 pills that folks depend on for certain life threatening condiions now over $700 each. He was interviewed on the news and was quite arrogant about it. Mid thirties greedy little yuppie. There is a hot place in you know where reserved for such greedy, selfish arrogant little......... End of rant but it just rattles my chain. Greed and dishonesty just get more abrasive every day. If they are ever sorry it is just because they got caught. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,029 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Reminds me of Bill Gates Dave...LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blondie 1,391 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Nothing new, everbody's at it today........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barclaycon 569 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Re. #16 Yes. That's a drug that treats HIV. What a complete and utter scumbag. Unfortunately this kind of untrammelled greed and avarice was encouraged during the 80's and it's still rife now. These are people who are devoid of morality, who expect to be praised for being complete and utter bastards. It would be a shame if this guy suddenly contracted HIV and then had to buy these drugs from someone else to stay alive. If only Karma was instant. Corporate scandals like VW and other notable scams like Olympus and Parmalat show that people will quite willingly lie through their teeth for the sake of profit - and they are arrogant enough to believe that they can get away with it. The CEO of VW may have resigned but there must be a whole raft of executives involved. Someone at the highest level must have suggested it, approved it, signed it off and knew that it was wrong. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The Australian guy has backed down according to the news though by how much is anybody's guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chulla 4,946 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 As I understand it, some American states; California in particular, does not have the equivalent of our MOT but does test (yearly?) for exhaust emlssions. If the emission figures for the VWs was over the limit then why was it not recognised before now? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Probably because they only test an engine idling. Missouri has a vehicle checkover each year, but no emission tests, Arkansas has neither, California only has an emission test, not sure if that applies to diesel engines though. Gas engines are tested for nitrous oxide and CO emissions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
notty ash 347 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The problem was known in May 2013 and made public around a year and a half ago, according to this article http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/volkswagen-emissions-meet-the-the-man-who-accidentally-discovered-the-scandal-10515626.html VW did a recall in April in the USA to amend software to try and appease the regulators http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-car-manufacturer-issued-recall-in-april-to-appease-suspicious-10515151.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I hope theyVAG haven't misled us about Lamborghini emissions too. I might have to rethink my next car if so. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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