Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 It's not to just appease regulators, it's to save money on the fines, I can't recall the exact figure, but I'm sure I read it was $35,000 per vehicle per day, that works out at a few billion bucks...LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 # 22 As I understand it the software could detect when the engine was under test and change the running of the engine to lower the emissions, soon as the test was over it went back to normal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I just read, it's already cost them $15 Billion so far. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 ^^^^^^^^^^^^serves them bloody right anall Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJBrenton 738 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 The problem is that it's not the people who made the decisions who will lose all those billions. It's the pension funds etc who own the shares in VAG who will suffer so it will actually cost retirees rather than the dishonest managers.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Engineer 542 Posted September 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 All this means that VW/Audi are unlikely to have enough money left to get into Formula 1 as has been mooted over the past couple of weeks. The knock-on effect is that Red Bull will probably pull out of F1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Never seen a VW beetle formula1 car...LOL A mate of mine had one as his second car, top speed was 60mph, and that was down hill...LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 He was on his way home one morning from work, going uphill in the Blue Mountains when a cyclist passed him...LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BulwellBrian 107 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 # 22 As I understand it the software could detect when the engine was under test and change the running of the engine to lower the emissions, soon as the test was over it went back to normal. I understand that the car could detect that the steering was not being used, this would be immobilized if the car was on rollers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
littlebro 233 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 Most likely the 'test mode' is enabled when the software detects that the front wheels are turning on the rolling road but the rear wheels are stationary. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
swe62 332 Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 the wheel rotation is sensed by the Anti lock braking system if the car is on rollers at the front or rear the abs senses that two wheels are not turning and puts the electronic control unit for the engine into a low fuel mode,I suspect that mondeos with two litre ford diesel engines have the same set up , 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mercurydancer 1,104 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 The result for us in UK is likely to be for tax duty to be applied to the correct level of emissions. That means for VW cars, a huge raise in tax, and the resale value and other consequences too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,782 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Just goes to show then, you can't trust those Krauts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Engineer 542 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Breaking news - 1.2 million vehicles in UK affected, including VW, Audi, Seat and Skoda cars together with VW vans. The specific number of vehicles affected under each brand are: Volkswagen cars 508,276 Audi 393,450 Seat 76,773 Skoda 131,569 VW commercial vehicles 79,838 Total 1,189,906 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Engineer 542 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I don't get the assertion that VW think they can fix this with software. The design of the engines is such that despite best engineering efforts, they couldn't get the emissions low enough to market the vehicles as fitting a certain emissions band (which in the UK affects the road fund licence fee) so they fiddled the engine software to burn fuel more efficiently when test conditions were detected. When they 'fix' the software, it will just put the engine back to 'normal'. Under test, the emissions will be 'real', most likely putting the vehicles into a higher tax band. So aside of any indirect cost in reputation and customer confidence that will affect new sales, there's the real cost of more road tax and lower resale values for existing owners; each of them deserves compensation. In fact, it may be the case that each owner can sue VW for fraud by false representation. Move over PPI; I can see a whole new claims industry here - we'll start getting phone calls: "Have you purchased a new or second-hand VW/Audo/Seat/Skoda diesel in the last five years.........." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,599 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 ^^^^^^^^^^It's already started, lady solicitor on the news tonight explaining what the owners could sue for and she stated it was not a definitive list she had given. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 Maybe someone should take a look at Fords Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted September 30, 2015 Report Share Posted September 30, 2015 I wonder how dirty coal fueled diesels are??? Don't laugh!! It's been done and proved, modified diesel engines running on fine coal dust were experimented with years back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ayupmeducks 1,728 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I see today, four more car makers are caught up in this mess, stems from NOx emissions. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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