LizzieM 9,507 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Beko appliances catch fire too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 It was a Hotpoint appliance on fire that started the Grenfell disaster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,507 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yes and I got a new Hotpoint Tumble Dryer for nothing months before that due to a few overheating. However, Beko have not had a good reputation over the years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Pianoman 1,532 Posted March 17, 2018 Report Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 hours ago, philmayfield said: The part came. I'd ordered another from e-bay as a backup. It was a real pain in the butt to access the control panel and it was different from the one I expected. The circuits were in a sealed unit and not readily accessible. I checked the replacement price for the sealed unit which was £440. That was not much more than the machine cost! So now a new machine is required. Miele's don't last for 20 years. Don't be fooled. No German products will pass my door so it's off to the orient which probably means Samsung. Looking at reviews there no 'lemons' these days so it's the one with the longest warranty period. I wish I hadn't started the job but I can't resist a challenge! All German domestic products (and other products no doubt) have built in obsolescence. They change an internal component in the design and make the old component unavailable. When it goes wrong you have to buy another appliance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 I agree, but why do they offer for sale the main board of the control unit for sale at £ 440. Who would buy that, plus no doubt, a call out and fitting cost of around £200 for those who can't diy? Crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,593 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 To make buying a new machine look more attractive Rog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 If we didn’t have obsolescence we’d still be in the Stone Age. Whilst we want capital goods to last a reasonable length of time there’s always something new and better coming along. Part of it is commercialism obviously but that’s what business and progress is all about. Look at cars; they’re being continually upgraded. There’s some psychology in that as those people who care about image must always have the latest specification. No one really sees your domestic appliances so they don’t reflect your image to others. Do you really want the latest washing machine that can be controlled from your mobile ‘phone? A lot of modern technology is there just because it can be done but that doesn’t always make for something better. The amount of sophistication in modern washing machines goes far beyond what is required for the simple task of washing fabrics and most of us won’t take the the trouble to read the instruction manual anyway. Let’s have the latest tech. by all means but let that be behind the scenes. The consumer generally just needs to be able to switch it on or off and trust to the hopefully reliable electronics to do its stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Years ago I had a Hotpoint washer & the motor packed up, £108 for the motor but I wasn't allowed to buy it because I wasn't a registered Hotpoint repair man. Of course an authorised man could do it at a cost. Stuff it I said & went out & bought my first Beko ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,413 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Beko have (as Lizzie said) not had a good reputation for some but the fact is they have sold over 30 million appliances in the UK since 1990 so can't be all that bad. The company is Turkish and produce Grundig, Leisure and Flavel products amongst others. Do I own a Beko? - no. Would I buy a Beko? no. Even though they have 20% of the market it's a perception thing, if it's cheap as chips it can't be any good can it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 It’s like ‘would I buy a Skoda’? - No. It’s probably as good as and more competitively priced than most mid range cars out there but there’s just ‘something’ about it that puts me off for no rational reason. Plus the fact I couldn’t take the derision I would get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 The name says it all. ! Same as Lada Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Yet Lada are made by the Renault/Nissan/Mitsubishi alliance. But Lada are Russian so that’s definitely a ‘no’. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 28 minutes ago, Brew said: Beko have (as Lizzie said) not had a good reputation for some but the fact is they have sold over 30 million appliances in the UK since 1990 so can't be all that bad. The company is Turkish and produce Grundig, Leisure and Flavel products amongst others. Do I own a Beko? - no. Would I buy a Beko? no. Even though they have 20% of the market it's a perception thing, if it's cheap as chips it can't be any good can it? We have a Beko fridge freezer too, a few years old now but always worked fine the same as our washer & tumble dryer, would we buy again, most definitely, cheap as chips in a throw away society, why bother paying through the nose just for a fancy name ? And how many wash programs do you actually use or need ? Washing machines are not like a decent hifi system or a top range camera, all they do is wash yer clothes ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Years ago my next door neighbour bought a new Lada Samara, what an uncomfortable pile of junk ! His ife refused to be taken out in it ! Lada's aren't sold here now because they can't meet the UK emission regulations ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Agreed! With a car you can, if you choose, keep it going almost forever with regular oil changes and routine maintenance. You only change if you fancy or can afford it. With a domestic appliance you change when it’s beyond economic repair. My wife’s pouring over the web now looking at the merits of new washing machines and that’s brought a little happiness into her life! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nonnaB 4,895 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 16 hours ago, LizzieM said: Beko appliances catch fire too Dont tell me that Lizzie. years ago our freezer started "getting warm" so out we went looking for another. The only ones we could find were upright but I wanted a very large chest freezer and the only ones on offer were Beko. Must say its very large and takes some filling but up to now its fine no problems . It is stationed in a cool part of the house though so it may slow the burning fire down a bit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nonnaB 4,895 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Ovens too complicated to use ? I have a new oven same time as everything else electrical went wrong. ( Oven, freezer, dishwasher, fridge and some more all within a couple of weeks of each other) It also has a pizza setting but using it the setting is maximum plus pizza setting ......it always burns , adjust the setting and it doesn't cook. Now we have a new phone , we did away with fax as it was never used. I haven't got round to understanding the instructions and can't repeat calls. Its not an expensive nor complicated phone its just the instructions aren't clear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nonnaB 4,895 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, philmayfield said: Yet Lada are made by the Renault/Nissan/Mitsubishi alliance. But Lada are Russian so that’s definitely a ‘no’. Look at any supermarket product and the products are made by....for Tesco, Sainsbury, lidl etc. Are large appliances the same? makes you wonder. My oven is Rex but its the Italian version of Electrolux. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,507 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 4 hours ago, philmayfield said: It’s like ‘would I buy a Skoda’? - No. It’s probably as good as and more competitively priced than most mid range cars out there but there’s just ‘something’ about it that puts me off for no rational reason. Two good friends of ours have had Skoda Octavias for many years and wouldn’t contemplate anything else, they do look more stylish these days too. About 25-30 years ago I had a Mitsubishi Shogun, very useful for the 12 mile cross-country run to school and I really liked it but some of our local farming mates used to have a dig at us for buying a Japanese car. That didn’t bother us but the next car I had was a Land Rover Discovery and it was the worst vehicle we’d ever owned, not least because it was such an unlucky car and I had two accidents in it. Since then we’ve both bought German and been very happy with them all. Our boys and daughter-in-law all drive German cars too. You can’t beat German engineering ....... Vorsprung durch technik ........ but they’re not all Audis 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 There's a new Skoda, that is very much like a Porsche. Removal of badges, and a bit of a touch up, and Hey Presto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,507 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Oh, which Porsche model? The thing I like about Audis though is that they’re understated. If you’ve got an Audi following you on the motorway you have no idea which model it is until it’s gone in front of you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,108 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Saw it on Yahoo News the other day. It was either an estate of some description, or a hatchback. I'll have a look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,127 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 18 minutes ago, LizzieM said: Two good friends of ours have had Skoda Octavias for many years and wouldn’t contemplate anything else, they do look more stylish these days too. About 25-30 years ago I had a Mitsubishi Shogun, very useful for the 12 mile cross-country run to school and I really liked it but some of our local farming mates used to have a dig at us for buying a Japanese car. That didn’t bother us but the next car I had was a Land Rover Discovery and it was the worst vehicle we’d ever owned, not least because it was such an unlucky car and I had two accidents in it. Since then we’ve both bought German and been very happy with them all. Our boys and daughter-in-law all drive German cars too. You can’t beat German engineering ....... Vorsprung durch technik ........ but they’re not all Audis My wife’s had Shoguns for many years with just one change for a Disco. That was a disaster so she went back to Shoguns. They’re totally bulletproof having towed pony trailers and boats for many miles. When it came to changing last October we realised that the big diesel engine was falling into the ‘dirty diesel’ category and a new greener model was not imminent. We looked around at all the equivalents, as living in the country we still wanted a 4x4. We decided a Jaguar F Pace ticked all the boxes - and it was British made. She’s highly delighted with it and I must admit it’s one of the nicest cars I’ve driven and that includes an S Class Merc. I’ve had a few Mercs and Porsches but since Merkel turned nasty over Brexit I vowed never to buy German again! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Waddo 921 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 26 minutes ago, LizzieM said: Oh, which Porsche model? The thing I like about Audis though is that they’re understated. If you’ve got an Audi following you on the motorway you have no idea which model it is until it’s gone in front of you. Don't let em past Liz, most are just Rep's! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,507 Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, Waddo said: Don't let em past Liz, most are just Rep's! Some, but not my youngest son nor me . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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