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Can anyone help me with a pub query? My mam 85 born in St Anns keeps going back into the past  and she mentioned as an underage drinker (1940's) she went in Pubs around town. The last two she talked about were the Dog and Partridge (which I go in now and again) and another. One known as the 'Dirty Dog' which they gave a wide berth to. Does anyone know where it was or if it had its name changed over the years?

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Sounds more like a nickname doesn't it? Shippo's Dog and Gun on Trinity Square not far away?

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With both Old Dog and Partridge and Original Dog and Partridge being opposite each other, she perhaps found one of them not as salubrious as the other!

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The Old D & P was the worst of the two by all accounts, so that is probably the one she meant. 

Both were 'dog' rough in my estimation though.

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Was the Dog and Partridge renamed ' Original ' after the Old Dog and Partridge was later built?

 

There was also the Dog and Bear. I'd heard this was supposed to have had a reputation at certain times.

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The Old Dog and Partridge was a rough house,could have been called the Dirty Dog way back

 

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The original Old Dog & Partridge was built in the 1800's and was called -

The Old Dog & Partridge Brewhouse... then Shippo's bought it in the 1890's and the Brewhouse was dropped.when they built the pub over the road( with the same name) in 1908- they called it the "Original" Dog & Partridge It closed in1970 to make way for Victoria Centre.

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Thanks all. That sounds about right the one being opposite. She (my mam) said both sides of the road. Its unusual for two pubs to have pretty much the same name so close.

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I wonder why The Old Postern Gate was on Middle Pavement, back in the early 1900's?

Curious as to why this pub wasn't on Postern Street.

The rear gate to the castle ( a postern) is reputedly to be a spot of some very interesting historical events that took part in our city.

Maybe when Nottm was walled ,Middle Pavement could have been a part of it.

There is a picture of said pub- pictured in 1908....'gigs' are too big to upload /post.

Just a query

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Two bits of possible explanation.

 

Looking at the first paragraph here, the name Postern Gate seems to be fake-old, and only appeared in the late 1800s.    http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/articles/tts/tts1929/itinerary1929p3.htm

 

Clue may also be the yard out the back, which was Postern Place. That name exists on maps back to 1830s, so a long time before the pub got its name.  A bit chicken and egg.

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Cliff is correct,photos give a "olde worlde" effect, but dig back before the 19th century and things become even more interesting or muddy...depending on anorak level!

The 1760's on Cliffs map reveal The Bunch of Grapes on the Postern site.

Barley Mow: no change in name.

Before The London Hotel ..on that site was a pub called The Anchor.

And The Bulls Head on the corner of Low Pavement and Lister Gate.

Perhaps they remained pubs for centuries because the cellars/caves were formed or suited for ale?

Food for thought...be it the liquid kind!

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Nice shot!

I forgot...the postern gate pub site....many years later The Bench & Bar sat there.

I used it regular for a snifter before manning the sinks at Camelot Club.

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The Beehive Public House on what was Millstone Lane in the city..was the first place ever that John Merrick was

'exhibited' . Also known as The Elephant Man.

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On 15/12/2016 at 9:53 AM, TBI said:

Sounds more like a nickname doesn't it? Shippo's Dog and Gun on Trinity Square not far away?

How about the Greyhound on Burton Street?

 

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Pub query to take your mind off the snow:who drank in 

The Kebab & Calculator?

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The Young One's, Mike, Ric, Vyvyan and Neil great television from the 80's

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On 15/12/2016 at 9:53 AM, TBI said:

Sounds more like a nickname doesn't it? Shippo's Dog and Gun on Trinity Square not far away?

 

The same (?) Dog & Gun came up in another thread a few years ago but I can't find it now. I photographed a ghost sign of it, but didn't know what it referred to at the time. Someone on NS identified it. The Dog & Gun was on Mansfield Road towards the Poacher. this is the sign on an alley looking from Sherwood Street towards Mansfield Road.

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And PTP have a photo of the original pub. The alley is almost hidden behind the lamp post.

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Never noticed that Cliff..well spotted.as i said in a thread elsewhere those entrys had house doors hung ..so if you was'nt savvy with the area..you went around the block..another one was at the side of 

Flewitts bakery.

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This was a great little boozer on Malin Hill,opposite the old almshouses.

If you can't place it..behind Sam Wards garage ..on the way up to the Bowling Alley.

It was an M&B pub..and a Bass house..i think.

The long standing Landlord had a brave son that perished in the war and was decorated.

Seem to recall a picture above the bar.

It was a change from the Loggerheads  or General Gordon..

( gaffers),for a lunchtime pint

Used to go to this pub with an irish crowd before going to a prefab type building behind Sam Wards that served as an Irish Club ( 77 )??

Can't recall the name...but opened til'

late- i'd then limp over to Island St. and kip in the security hut...so as not to miss the overtime Saturday morning -

Time and a half you know!

The jukebox in The Town Arms never changed, on replay:

Love is Like Oxygen- The Sweet.

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Even though i answered the dog and partridge question...i still get confused!

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