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39 minutes ago, loppylugs said:

 

We needed toilet rolls.  We buy them in bulk, lasts us for weeks. 

Every time I go to Costco I buy toilet rolls, we had 90 stashed away the other week.  Saw this on Faceache recently, think it was aimed at me ...........82-E21232-84-B5-43-DB-AAD7-44-D719030-D0

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All a load of c**p really!

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Now you can eat as much Ex Lax, as you want.   :biggrin:

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And then play the first movement LL.

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Another funeral yesterday :( Actually we quite enjoyed it :happy: No disrespect for the lovely deceased lady who probably also enjoyed the occasion. It was our first one at the Sherwood Forest Crem. What a lovely peaceful place! 

As well as seeing some old friends we saw our two God children for the first time in 30 years. They are the same age as our two and between them have 4 children and five grand children! It was certainly a friends united day and we have agreed to meet up again soon. We will be meeting at a cycling caff that we used as teenage cyclists sixty odd years ago.

On the way to the Crem we stopped at the White Post for a coffee. We didn't realise just how big that place had become.

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Woken up by a thunderstorm at 3 a.m.  Jake hates 'em and tries to dig a hole in the rug to hide in.  No fun!  I'm tired out today and I ain't done nowt.  :(

Very weird weather for this time of year.

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Bitty sort of day really..

 

Had a salady type lunch of beetroot, tomatoes and cold roast beef...

 

Then wandered out on a few errands.  Dumped a dead PC monitor at the local 'waste disposal facility'.  Then round to Tesco for a drop of booze.  Also checked out their stock of Hand Cleansing Gel.  There wasn't any.  I have an idea about that.  At a pinch I reckon you could use Methylated spirit mixed maybe 1:3 with water and a spot of liquid soap.  Maybe not so pleasant but would do the job if you are out and about and desperate.  I reckon that clear  'De-Natured' alcohol they sell in B&Q (Can't remember what for..) is probably nicer because I don't think it contains the acetone which makes Meths smell horrible and dries your skin... and it doesn't have the purple dye either.  Still has the added Methyl Alcohol to make it poisonous though.... but only if you drink it...

 

Also bought some Corn Flower and Sunflower seeds and some new spotlight bulbs.

 

I know how to live...

 

On the way home I listened to a BBC4 book programme, where they reviewed a book called (I think) 'The Glorious Life of the Oak', by John Lewis -Stemple.  They all liked it.  I like Oaks and will look out for it.  They mentioned that the author uses the phrase 'The Wood Wide Web'  , though they don't know if he originated that phrase.  It refers of course to the interdependence of pretty much everything in the woods, from trees and fungi, to ground cover plants, to insects, birds and mammals.  I wish the kids who churn up the woodland floor with their mountain bikes knew the damage they are doing.

 

I went for a short walk when I got home but not far because it was very cold and windy.

 

Then for our evening meal.. I knocked out pasta and green pesto, with some mushrooms, chopped bacon and garlic for added interest... as you do...

 

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23 hours ago, DJ360 said:

  Also checked out their stock of Hand Cleansing Gel.  There wasn't any.  I have an idea about that.  At a pinch I reckon you could use Methylated spirit mixed maybe 1:3 with water and a spot of liquid soap.  .

 

 

 

DJ Things are getting desperate re hand cleansing gel. We've been out of it for a while. But tv is saying diluted bleach acts just the same , sorry I can't remember the dilution but it's a good substitute. See if you can find it on google. Our schools are now closed in the whole of Italy until at least mid march.

Those in the know are now saying that all the cases of flu etc may have been  misjudged and it could have been CV as early as before Christmas. It's getting nearer to us each day. 

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Watch out for yourself Nonna, take extra care. Will be thinking of you. Regards, Beekay.

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2 hours ago, nonnaB said:

 

DJ Things are getting desperate re hand cleansing gel. We've been out of it for a while. But tv is saying diluted bleach acts just the same , sorry I can't remember the dilution but it's a good substitute. See if you can find it on google. Our schools are now closed in the whole of Italy until at least mid march.

Those in the know are now saying that all the cases of flu etc may have been  misjudged and it could have been CV as early as before Christmas. It's getting nearer to us each day. 

 

I used dilute bleach today Nonna. Bleach is my favourite cleaner as it is simple, cheap and it works.  I doesn't rely on complex 'antibacterial' actions. it just disolves the little buggers.  Had been out getting some paint and other decorating supplies to keep me occupied while I hide from the virus. I got a cloth with dilute bleach and cleaned all doorhandles, the paint cans etc, my phone, even my wallet and cards. Also did the steering wheel, door handles etc., in the car.

 

The thing about cases being confused with Flu might explain why Italy seems so hard hit.

 

Take care.

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Yes DJ Italy has loads of flu during the winter so probably was diagnosed wrongly. A new alert today, Asti is the newest "focolaio" ( ( (epicenter)  Its getting too close for comfort. This Monday my husband was to have an operation for hip replacement but the hospital rang this morning to cancel it as the region has forbidden all operations non urgent .They are only admitting emergencies and oncological cases.Thanks for the thoughts DJ and BK.

Good job the freezer is full and the store room well stocked , will come in useful in case of....

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We’re now wondering if our youngest son has had Corona Virus.  He was in Japan in October until early November at the Rugby World Cup.  He developed a cold and bad chest whilst over there and for weeks dosed himself up with Actifed.  He was in Nottingham with us at Christmas and still struggling so I insisted he went to the GP as soon as he got home.  The doc found his blood oxygen levels were dangerously low and prescribed antibiotics and steroids and told to return a week later.  There was a significant improvement  after taking the medication but it still took him weeks to get well again. On the second visit to the surgery the GP told him that he’d only ever once seen such poor results and he almost called for an ambulance to get him into hospital!  

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Hope he's ok Lizzie, this is beginning to affect how we live. Neither Alex or Deborah are in contact with the public as is James but they touch orders coming from the dining room. The gel disinfectant they bought to put in the toilets have disappeared because it can't be found in shops, supermarkets or chemists , people just take them.

Deborah and Alex always give me a kiss when they come in or go out but now we are very careful , being very aware of what is happening.

Today an actor was being interviewed as his latest film is being released. He said some English friends of his were saying" no wonder Italy is full of CV. As they touch and kiss all the time" . True but don't think they will change as kissing is a form of saying hello how are you, pleased to,see you.

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I read that there's a view  that CV was in Italy for a while before it was identified.  Stay safe Nonna.

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Went for a haircut at 12:00.  The chat amongst the ladies in the salon seemed to be 'Nothing you can do about CV.. you'll get it or you won't'.  I see that approach as a combination of selfishness and hopelessness..  I think we should all be taking sensible steps to avoid catching it, and therefore spreading it.

 

Meanwhile cases have been identified in Wigan ... not far from here.

 

In other news, I gave the back lawn its first cut of the year and tidied the borders up a bit.  It was a beautiful day.

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Think the ladies in the hairdressers are a bit stupid, if you forgive me saying. In a matter of 2 hours this afternoon the increase in CV was 52 new cases, thankfully not in this area. Today we have had confirmation of new hygiene measures. The premier is asking everyone to follow them scrupolessly. It makes sense to avoid certain things. We are asked to avoid any personal  contact with anyone , not to shake hands or kiss each other and keep a distance of one meter from another person. Extreme , I agree but if we don't this  virus is going to get worse.

People here live in apartments and are in constant contact with neighbours, passing them on the stairs, in lifts. Some apartments are very high with many apartments on each floor so it's so easy for the spread of everything.

Thankfully we live in the country. We still aren't safe though.

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1 hour ago, DJ360 said:

The chat amongst the ladies in the salon seemed to be 'Nothing you can do about CV.. you'll get it or you won't'.  I see that approach as a combination of selfishness and hopelessnes

 

A bit harsh Col

I'm of the opinion they have the right of it and all this talk of disinfecting every surface is pretty much useless against an air borne virus.

If contact transmission was really a problem I'm sure that wearing gloves as well as face masks would be recommended.

 

It rather seems to me to be some sort of advice given out by those who know full well there is very little to prevent the spread other than isolation but want to prevent people panicking and give them something to do. A placebo action if you will.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Brew said:

A bit harsh Col

 

Not really.  I'm talking about people who see no need to change their own behaviour because they don't feel personally threatened by the disease, or feel that nothing they can do will help.  This is clearly both wrong.. and selfish.

 

3 hours ago, Brew said:

I'm of the opinion they have the right of it and all this talk of disinfecting every surface is pretty much useless against an air borne virus.

 

But Brew.. it is principally, but not exclusively airborne.

 

It seems that this virus, just like Influenza and the other coronaviruses which cause the Common Cold, are all transmitted by droplets from coughs and sneezes.

 

However.. this does not have to be directly through the air and it seems that these viruses do not stay in the air floating about.. they fall to the ground within a few metres in still air. 

 

The thing is that these viruses can all survive on surfaces for long enough to transmit.  Estimates seem to vary between 'a few hours' and up to as long as 72 hours for hard surfaces.. much less for soft surfaces such as fabrics. An infected person is very likely to deposit the virus on surfaces.

 

World Health Organisation view.  https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

 

It follows that the logic of hand washing is to prevent transfer of anything which you might pick up from a surface, such as for e.g a shop door handle or a bus hand rail..from your hands... to your vulnerable mucus membranes in your eyes, nose and mouth. 

 

So.. if you have to go out and touch surfaces (Door handles, public transport, cash machines, card payment machines, public toilets, parking ticket machines.. etc., etc., which are touched by lots of people).. then it makes sense to thoroughly clean your hands as soon as possible and certainly before touching your eyes, nose or mouth.  That is what I do and have done routinely for years.

 

Yesterday I went out and used a cash machine, a supermarket trolley, card payment machine and also handled assorted goods in the shop.  I forgot my hand gel, so when I came home, I cleaned my hands properly.  I then took a cloth with dilute bleach and wiped my car steering wheel, door handles and controls, plus the front door knob, my keys, wallet and cards, and the handles of the cans of paint I bought.  The whole process took less than five minutes and it made me feel happier. 

 

I also think its a small price to pay if it saves me, my wife, or anybody else from acquiring the virus.. which is now clearly 'out there' in the general population, with cases pretty much going 'exponential'.

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9 hours ago, LizzieM said:

We’re now wondering if our youngest son has had Corona Virus.  He was in Japan in October until early November at the Rugby World Cup.  He developed a cold and bad chest whilst over there and for weeks dosed himself up with Actifed.  He was in Nottingham with us at Christmas and still struggling so I insisted he went to the GP as soon as he got home.  The doc found his blood oxygen levels were dangerously low and prescribed antibiotics and steroids and told to return a week later.  There was a significant improvement  after taking the medication but it still took him weeks to get well again. On the second visit to the surgery the GP told him that he’d only ever once seen such poor results and he almost called for an ambulance to get him into hospital!  

 

I'm not medically qualified Lizzie, but I think he would have passed it onto you and others if it was CV.  I have a young neighbour who is a very hard worker.  He works on powerlines and has basically been doing 12 hour days and lots of travelling for 15 years. until around Christmas.. when he was flattened by a chest infection.  It took him more than a month to shift it and he nearly lost his job over it. but he's OK now.

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4 minutes ago, DJ360 said:

Not really.  I'm talking about people who see no need to change their own behaviour because they don't feel personally threatened by the disease, or feel that nothing they can do will help.  This is clearly both wrong.. and selfis

 

Yes really Col.  You can have no knowledge of their behaviour or their level of personal hygiene.  You have judged them purely on a conversation   you happen to disagree with. These women in all probability are perfectly able assess the situation and realising they can do little it about have taken the pragmatic view that there is little to no point worrying about something that in all probability won't happen. It's not wrong nor is it clearly selfish.

I have read abstracts of the WHO, CDC etc and there is nothing in there that implies contact transmission. The most recommended precaution is plain soap and water with alcohol based sanitisers as a second choice if the former is not available. The NHS states that a virus on the hands has a life of only about 5 minutes.

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Brew said:

Yes really Col.  You can have no knowledge of their behaviour or their level of personal hygiene.  You have judged them purely on a conversation   you happen to disagree with.

 

Yes. This has little to do with their personal hygeine.  They have clearly stated that nothing they can do will help and it's all.. in effect.. 'a lottery'.  The evidence is that they are wrong.  They can reduce the statistical chance of contracting the virus by hand washing in the circumstances and conditions I described above. It won't give them absolute protection.. but it may reduce their vulnerability, and by extension, the vulnerability of others they may come into contact with.

10 minutes ago, Brew said:

I have read abstracts of the WHO, CDC etc and there is nothing in there that implies contact transmission. The most recommended precaution is plain soap and water with alcohol based sanitisers as a second choice if the former is not available.

 

Then you have read different WHO guidelines to those I read.

 

11 minutes ago, Brew said:

The NHS states that a virus on the hands has a life of only about 5 minutes.

 

Show me your source please. Even if your source is valid it doesn't negate my method which is to just to  NOT touch face/eyes/mouth after touching stuff and before washing.  Five minutes is a long time.  Watch people. See how many times they touch something then shove their finger in their mouth, or up their nose.

 

I appreciate I might be coming over as a bit paranoid here.. but I'm in the next to top age group for dying from this bug and the top 'underlying conditions' group.  I'm not panicking.. but I am doing all I can to avoid being infected.

 

It seems I had some immunity (as did many people..) to 'Swine Flu'.  Many people have assorted sets of immunity to the older viruses which have been circulating for decades.  NOBODY has immunity to Covid-19.

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4 hours ago, catfan said:

Corolla virus you say ?

 

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Third time lucky maybe?

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This self importance, look at me, over the top quoting, is making this site quite unreadable :( 

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