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Yes. This has little to do with their personal hygeine.  They have clearly stated that nothing they can do will help and it's all.. in effect.. 'a lottery'.  The evidence is that they are wrong.  They can reduce the statistical chance of contracting the virus by hand washing in the circumstances and conditions I described above. It won't give them absolute protection.. but it may reduce their vulnerability, and by extension, the vulnerability of others they may come into contact with.

 

Again you are making an assumption, you can't know whether they do as you describe simply because they have not specifically said so. People in my experience do not describe their personal habits in public. They are in all probability correct in the way they view the situation.

Hands washing is something most do on a regular basis through the day and that is as much as you can do. Statistically the chance of contracting Covid-19 are very small, at a guess I'd say about the same as having a win on the lottery...    ;)

 

How COVID-19  Spreads

 

Person-to-person spread

The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).

Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.

Can someone spread the virus without being sick?

People are thought to be most contagious when they are most symptomatic (the sickest).

Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

Spread from contact with infected surfaces or objects

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

 

https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/infections/how-long-do-bacteria-and-viruses...

Flu viruses capable of being transferred to hands and causing an infection can survive on hard surfaces for 24 hours. Infectious flu viruses can survive on tissues for only 15 minutes. Like cold viruses, infectious flu viruses survive for much shorter periods on the hands. After 5 minutes the amount of flu virus on hands falls to low levels.

(Don't know why the font has changed???)

 

NHS commom questions, not a single mention of contact transmission:

 

https://www.nhs.uk/corvid 19 recommendations 

 

Note I don't say the risk is zero  (most authorities say contact transmission MAY be possible but they don't know and are being extra cautious) but for most of us the risk is negligible and if you are seriously worried simply wear gloves.

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So Col, would you have taken such umbrage if they had said virtually nothing could be done? Is this being taken a bit too far. Should we all be wearing hazmat suits perhaps?

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4 hours ago, radfordred said:

This self importance, look at me, over the top quoting, is making this site quite unreadable :( 

 

Only to those who insist on reading it on a mobile phone, most of us have slightly more screen acreage and it's really not a problem mate

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10 minutes ago, TBI said:

So Col, would you have taken such umbrage if they had said virtually nothing could be done? Is this being taken a bit too far. Should we all be wearing hazmat suits perhaps?

 

They are hairdressers.  They work in very close proximity to each other and to their customers.  I assume that tyheir training involves at least basic hygeine. They also blow stuff all over the place with dryers etc.  I'd have thought they would at least ackowledge that basic hygeine might help.

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23 minutes ago, Brew said:

Statistically the chance of contracting Covid-19 are very small, at a guess I'd say about the same as having a win on the lottery...    

 

And the same factors apply.  You have no chance of winning if you don't buy a ticket.. minimal chance of winning if you do.

 

Similarly, you have a minimal BUT INCREASING chance of catching this virus because cases are now increasing exponentially. So I'll stick with my precautions.

 

And finally.. referencing statistics, my old psychology lecturer once stated: "You may well have only a 0.0000000001% chance of dying in an  aircrash..  However.. if you do die in an aircrash.. you are 100% dead. :blink:

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6 weeks ago I went to the QMC for a consultation re hearing loss, no unusual control measures in place at the entrance or clinic.

3 weeks ago and 2 weeks ago I went to the Ropewalk for a hearing aid assessment and fitting, no unusual control measures in place at the entrance or clinic.

 

I'm  off to the QMC in a couple of hours for a scan, I'll report back on any unusual control measures in place.

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I’ve survived an air-crash, a car-crash, been threatened with a knife and survived a very nasty gale in Falmouth Bay! :biggrin: Fingers crossed!

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I would advise you to carry on exactly as you are doing Col if it helps you. I simply think you were wrong to call people selfish based on a snippet of conversation you were not in all probability part of. They could be totally OCD about it for all we know and were simply stating there was nothing more they could do..

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Today since yesterday afternoon almost 600 new cases of CV. That's how fast it's traveling.

Cruise blocked in Naples another blocked in Thailand, precautions are taking place. Wonder if you get the same updates as we do.

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Hi Nonna, just to lighten your day with a bit of nonsense trivia. I saw an advert on tv last night, (can't remember which channel) advertising "Goodfellas Pizza". The sign over the shop said "Nonnas  Pizza". It was supposed to be in Italy, but the ad ended with 'made in Ireland'. Not your shop is it ? :rolleyes:

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No.we haven't got a shop. But suppose they do have Italian family . Nonna means grandma.( but you probably knew)

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1 hour ago, DJ360 said:

 

They are hairdressers.  They work in very close proximity to each other and to their customers.  I assume that tyheir training involves at least basic hygeine. They also blow stuff all over the place with dryers etc.  I'd have thought they would at least ackowledge that basic hygeine might help.

Close proximity of people, hairdressers or not, is the crucial factor. If you're out and about in contact with people you're at risk. Natural air currents, air-conditioning etc blow about what's constantly being coughed and sneezed. What's the difference? 

 

Remember containment of whole cities in a repressive state have not stopped the spread. The containment of the passengers on the Japanese cruise ship did not seem to be effective. If everyone single person in the world religiously washed their hands constantly, this would have some statistical but little practical effect as that is not the principal cause of spread.

 

Personally, I too believe unilaterally doing our best to safeguard ourselves, our family and the world at large makes sense. However, I would fully understand why so many folk don't see the point and carry on as normal.

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2 hours ago, nonnaB said:

No.we haven't got a shop. But suppose they do have Italian family . Nonna means grandma.( but you probably knew)

The day is not wasted.  ;)  I just learned something new.

I did not know that, Nonna.

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Well I'm back.

No additional or unusual measures at Queens Medical Centre, just the usual hand sanitiser in each department.

No questionaire on recent travel, no prompting to use sanitiser, only myself and 1 other used it in my presence.

 

No obvious avoidance moves by staff, no-one internally with masks, I did see a few Chinesse looking students outside with them on, but would have expected to see some anyway.

Business as usual.

 

And I was out an hour before my appointment time.

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I will soon be off down the sell out 30,000 City Ground for tonight's match you want to see the men's toilet at half time, 6000 trying to use a metal trough, 3 sinks with cold water, no soap, no towels.

 

I've just delivered to 1800 houses, now go wash your mail :Shock: 

 

 

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On the news from yesterday to simplify the importance of this virus as regards common sense.

An elderly couple in their 80's were diagnosed with CV and are in a critical condition. On March 1st they went to visit their son who lives in Lodi. ( one of the epicenters) The hospital has only just been informed because the couple forgot to tell them. Now the hospital has had to test all the patients ( well or otherwise) . and to inform everyone else they've been in contact with. We may seem to be over reacting but when you hear these things it's irresponsible. On checking UK's situation it doesn't seem to be well informed as regards contamination especially in hospitals.

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8 hours ago, Brew said:

I would advise you to carry on exactly as you are doing Col if it helps you. I simply think you were wrong to call people selfish based on a snippet of conversation you were not in all probability part of. They could be totally OCD about it for all we know and were simply stating there was nothing more they could do..

 

Sorry Brew but you misread me.  It was  conversation that I had with the three staff there.

 

And yes, I will continue to take what precautions I can, although that all rather went out of the window earlier today when I kept a long arranged appointment to meet some family who were 'up' from Chichester visiting. So, several of Mrs Col's cousins, with kids and partners in tow, plus her sister and brother in law.  Lots of hand shaking and hugs all around... About 20 of us I think.  My first move on arrival home was to thoroughly clean my hands.  Not so much from traces of 'family', as from stair rails etc. 

 

Meanwhile... Presenting the DJ360 Patent Copper Anti-Slug Plant Protector Ring

 

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Simply but ingeniously manufactured by using tinsnips to open up a length of 15mm copper pipe, flattening it then curling into a ring which is able to be opened or closed by virtue of simple 'opposed slots' cut near the ends.

 

If copper does indeed work, this should work. and I can then think about making a neater, more refined version. 

 

Also,  am wondering if I can get a constant low voltage/potential by connecting the copper ring to one or more zinc nails, also sunk into damp soil.  My basic O level electro-chemistry stuff is a bit rusty, but if that works it should be even more discouraging to slugs.

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So is it true slugs keep away from copper?

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I believe they find the electro chemical reaction between their slime and the copper somewhat uncomfortable. I find the same if I touch raw copper onto my tongue We shall see as my two remaining  Delphiniums are just emerging and already showing some slug damage despite lowish temperatures.  I'll need to have a look out in the evenings to make sure that no slugs are trapped inside the rings... then see what happens. 

 

Last year I was out every evening on slug patrol and it took me weeks to find the worst culprit which was the biggest sodding slug I've ever seen.  I adapted it to make two shorter ones, but not before it had killed off a new Delphinium.

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Been told this evening first case of the virus confirmed in Nottingham. Apparently someone who has just come back from South Korea, the family has been asked to self isolate. 

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We’ve had a long, tiring and somewhat emotional day today.  We went down to Sussex, a 360 mile round trip, to attend the funeral of a very dear friend who was also my husband’s best man at our wedding 45 years ago.  He was such a great bloke, clever, fun-loving, always up for a laugh, and the best friend one could ever wish for.  There were well over a hundred mourners in the church, many of whom we hadn’t seen for many years so it was very much a social occasion for us too.  A lot of kissing, hand shaking and hugs and not a thought of CV until I arrive home and turn on Nottstalgia!    To be honest I’m fed up with hearing about it ...... the Chief Medical Officer and Govt Ministers keep saying there’s no reason to panic ....... so why is it dominating the news?    If I’ve caught the dreaded virus today due to mixing closely with all those people you’ll be the first to know, in the meantime I’ll keep taking Vitamin C. 

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Whereabouts in Sussex did you come down to Lizzie?

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Church service at Storrington BK then the wake was in Southwater.  Is it near you?  

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Not too far.

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Met up with my normal gang of reprobates before & after the Forest match, they all agree this corona malarkey is a load of bollocks, lets catch it & get it over & done with, also proud white English brexiters so we must be right? :crazy:   

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