DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 6 hours ago, IAN123. said: I think we are paying for our Empire! There's no such thing as a free lunch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commo 1,288 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Using that criteria he would seem to have much in common with Mahatma Ghandi and Nelson Mandela! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 My last word on this. I don't want to start a row. Ghandi and Mandela both employed peaceful tactics and rhetoric. Both were working to overcome the oppression of their ethnic majority, by a white, exploitative, racist, effectively colonial minority. Yaxley-Lennon ( AKA 'Tommy Robinson' .. no doubt in an attempt to sound like a good old English 'Tommy') is doing the exact opposite. He is attempting to whip up hatred and prejudice, by using inflammatory language, lies and misinformation. He has led, or been a member of some of the most reviled and illegal far right and racist organisations ever to have stained this country. ( BNP, EDL, etc.) He uses classic far right tactics. He was jailed for contempt of court... not for his views. This is not your traditional Labour,-Conservative knockabout politics. Things are getting very nasty. The likes of the openly racist bigot Steve Bannon from the US are actively , verbally and financially backing dangerous idiots like Yaxley-Lennon here, in the US and all over Europe. Hitler started out claiming he was not allowed to express his views and claiming he was being silenced by an evil state. Look where that got us. Yaxley -Lennon has been in and out of gaol for decades. not for his views, but for assault, fraud, deception and numerous other crimes. His politics are inconsistent and muddled he is just a dangerous idiot, but a 'useful idiot' for the darker forces whicxh back him and his sort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Robinson_(activist) Another Angry Voice 31 July at 07:09 · Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. The modern extreme-right are just copying ideas straight out of the Nazi propaganda playbook There's absolutely no doubt that the extreme-right is on the rise. Italy, Hungary, Poland, and Israel have elected extreme-right ethno... anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com LikeCommentShare Most relevant Jon Darby, Lesley Jane de Banke, Celia Helen Melia and 1,288 others like this. 2,092 shares Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Commo 1,288 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 ???? You are of course entitled to your opinion as am I to mine. What is your take on Emmeline Panckhurst in that case? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 From a considerable distance, I disagree with some of her more violent tactics, partiicularly arson, as it is a potentially indiscriminate weapon. However, just as with Ghandi and Mandela, Pankhurst was not running a campaign of hate against a minority like Yaxley -Lennon. She was campaigning for equal voting rights.. which are a fundamental principle of democracy, with a small number of exceptions. Beyond her campaigning for Women's Suffrage, a principle which I fully support... I probably would not have agreed with much of Pankhurst's poltics. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,095 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Mandela was an active terrorist ! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Mandela was briefly active. In the face of the horrific abuse of blacks in South Africa by the Apartheid regime.. it's hardly surprising even if it is difficult to condone. The ANC was entirely non violent until 1960 when the Govt murdered 69 protesters at Sharpeville. Mandela was tried for treason. He was not accused of murder and would have been executed had he been. Mandela spent most of the remaining time in prison, educating himself and calling for non violent resistance. Again, Mandela was fighting to end clear and inhuman oppression of a black majority by a white minority. Yaxley-Lennon is spreading hate against a minority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,095 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Martin McGuiness ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NewBasfordlad 3,593 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 you've done it again Col. You say it's your last word but can't help coming back again...... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Oh yes I can!.. Ooops.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAN123. 9,304 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 As a society..we really are not mixing with certain people of the world..lets face it.I don't think it is intentional..it's a severe difference in cultures.How many black or Asian people partake in this site?..I have seen photos taken on here of concerts at Wollaton Park..no asian or hardly any black people in a sea of white folk. Not in all cases..but in the main. The Chinese have been in Britain for nearly 200 years...first in Liverpool and so-on. A hard working ..but private nation. Indian people seem to intergrate more easily than their neighbours..of Pakistan..why this is..i do not know. The nature of a multi society is now...a person born in Lenton..of foreign parents...or mainly Grandparents chooses to be 'British' rather than English. Last year a taxi driver very sharply told me "his parents were born in Pakistan".. He was born in Dunkirk and told me he is British "in passport only". There's the rub with most. A good soul is any religon or skin colour...but it seems we have a long way yet to existing in harmony together. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
meeowed 314 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Mandela was convicted on all 8 counts of terrorism To make this man a role model is hypocrisy Winnie mandela was a common murderer and now we have the killing of the white farmers Anyone who uses violence to further political ends is a terrorist meeowed 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 So that would include those who used violence to enforce the colonisation of South Africa and the oppression of its people through Apartheid? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,095 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Here we go again ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 6,665 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 It's a discussion, FLY, and an interesting one.... no-one is personally attacking another member. I think there have been some interesting and informative posts on the subject of exactly who is a terrorist. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,500 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 I suspect this thread is getting a bit political or is this some sort of new word game ? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 It is a political discussion Mike. That's true. But I agree with Margie that it is also a polite and informative one. Personally, I don't think I've ever started a political discussion, but I do respond to provocative statements. Col 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FLY2 10,095 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 What provocative statements might I ask ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 13,913 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Where i worked until recently it was a real multi- mix of nationalities ,,...one day a bloke came in and asked ''is Dave here Ben? i said which one Black Dave,,Pakistani Dave,,or Dave the Dick head,,? you can't say that he says'' I said course i can one is Black one is Pakistani and the other is a Dick head !!! just as i'd said it Dick-head walked in.........and i said he's here,, Dick head,,you ok? caused much laughter not least from 'Dick-head Dave,, 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 1 hour ago, meeowed said: Mandela was convicted on all 8 counts of terrorism To make this man a role model is hypocrisy Winnie mandela was a common murderer and now we have the killing of the white farmers Anyone who uses violence to further political ends is a terrorist meeowed Boudica? Oliver Cromwell? It's never clear cut and probably the most misused charge in history is that of Treason. Treason is essentially whatever the ruling powers say it is. Anne Boleyn was found guilty of High Treason in order to give Henry VIII an excuse to get rid of her. Numerous others died at Henry's order for similarly trumped up reasons. Sophie Scholl was guillotined in Germany by the Nazis on charges of High Treason. She was 21 and 'guilty' of distributing anti war leaflets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,500 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Decide yourselves, terrorist or saint ? https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/the-dark-side-of-nelson-mandela/news-story/68f4acdbf2b0b4e6c799e458a55e6cb2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 5,534 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, FLY2 said: What provocative statements might I ask ? Ok, in this case I withdraw the word 'provocative', but you really didn't expect me to let a mention of ' Tommy ( "My real name is Yaxley-Lennon") Robinson' pass without pointing out that he is a long term petty criminal and was jailed for crimes, not for his views as he likes to imply? Col Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trogg 1,448 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 If Nelson Mandela was such an evil person ,could someone explain to me why in the years before his release and after was most of the world leaders and celebrities falling over themselves to be associated with and photographed with him PS I prefer to read about Nottstalgia and look at photos of Nottingham. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,500 Posted August 4, 2018 Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Let history speak for itself trogg, Google will find plenty of information for you. My opinion is that he was extremely lucky not to have been hanged for his alleged crimes. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IAN123. 9,304 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2018 Me to Trogg..i wish there were more WW2 photos of Nottm. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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