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To say that political correctness has little to do with free speech shows a naivety of epic proportions  karl marx used it to control the population easily this self censorship is an insidious cancer in our society and a means of gagging opposing views  European investment built south africa yes they were exploited but so was everyone here by victorian mill and coal mine owners  We have seen the destruction of the BNP UKIP Britain first leaders jailed and now the EDL This is not coincidence this is a concerted campaign The fact that we are now a minority in our own capital city shows the madness this country is descending into  I am sure our grandparents didnt fight two world wars to have our country sold from under our feet As to ireland tony blair capitulated to the IRA by giving out amnesty a right he seemed unwilling or unable to grant British soldiers  Hence the lawyers feeding frenzy

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It certainly is a sprawling debate..that is for sure.

Fly and my late night comments originally alluded to the fact... there has been a lack of national pride present in England. I have noticed it..as an Englishman abroad...People who seem to control our country..often seem disinclined to wave the Cross of St.George. They lick up to certain sections of the populace.

Why was the Asian child sex ring hidden...how can Luton demonstrators shout "kill the Police".

Small incidents..in the scheme of things..but in truth our only interaction is thru' community do gooders or kebab shops and taxis.

 

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The BNP over 15 years ago tried to get the chief constable off his backside but due to political correctness and a fear of being tarred racist he was also reluctant to incite the muslim community he did nothing The CPS spent thousands of tax payers money trying to convict Nick Griffin BNP election campaigners were arrested for distributing racist literature only to be released without charge after the election was over  You only have to look at the influence of the masonic society in the police force you couldnt be a member of the BNP and be a police officer but you could be a member of the masons a secret society with some really weird practices   meeowed

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4 hours ago, meeowed said:

To say that political correctness has little to do with free speech shows a naivety of epic proportions  karl marx used it to control the population easily this self censorship is an insidious cancer in our society and a means of gagging opposing views  European investment built south africa yes they were exploited but so was everyone here by victorian mill and coal mine owners  We have seen the destruction of the BNP UKIP Britain first leaders jailed and now the EDL This is not coincidence this is a concerted campaign The fact that we are now a minority in our own capital city shows the madness this country is descending into  I am sure our grandparents didnt fight two world wars to have our country sold from under our feet As to ireland tony blair capitulated to the IRA by giving out amnesty a right he seemed unwilling or unable to grant British soldiers  Hence the lawyers feeding frenzy

 

 

Took me a minute to get what you were referring to there.  Karl Marx never used anything to control anybody. Karl Marx was a Sociologist and Political -EconomicTheorist. He died in 1883.  Long before the term Political Correctness was invented. As far as I know, he never held any form of political office.  He had many interesting ideas, but some of his major predictions never came true.  For example, he expected revolution to start in the Western Industrialised nations, whereas it actually started in Russia.

 

His grave is in Highgate Cemetary in London.  A Communist Plot.  :yahoo:

 

Since then, no so-called Marxist state has even got close to properly following up on what he suggested... but that, as they say a 'whole 'nuther' ball game'.

 

So, a bit of Googling and I guess you are trying to refer to 'Cultural Marxism'.  'Cultural Marxism has absolutely nothing to do with Marxism, and very little to do with culture.  It's just a convenient term used by right wingers, especially right wing conservative Americans, who like to pretend that political correctness prevents them from spouting their racist bigoted bile. It doesnt, but it's a way for right wing hate mongers to present themselves as the victims. Just like 'our' Tommy Yaxley -Lennon and that dreadfully mis treated chap Anders Breivik, who was 'forced' by 'Cultural Marxism',  to speak his mind by the alternative method of shooting dead or blowing up 77  innocent people in 2011.  Mostly innocent children.  You have to feel for him.. poor misunderstood chap.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/19/cultural-marxism-a-uniting-theory-for-rightwingers-who-love-to-play-the-victim

 

You really do seem to be identifying with some very nasty people.

 

As for the BNP.  As far as I know it still exists in all its Racist glory.  Its manifesto is openly racist. Griffin was expelled from the party.

 

Pretty much the same for the EDL, though I really can't be bothered wasting any more of a nice day researching the details. 

 

Yaxley-Lennon has been a member of both, and other right wing, racist organisations

 

The real reasons for the demise, or limited impact of both parties and all the others who preceded them, is that they have no support to speak of.

 

Whether we have too much immigration or not is a genuine and legitimate topic for discussion.  We all have our views.  However, it is not helpful to reduce it to racism or religious hatred.  That will solve nothing.

 

If you really want to blame somebody for 'selling our country from under our feet', I suggest you start with Thatcher.  It is the privatisation programmes started by her which have led to our publicly owned utilities being sold to companies abroad, for e.g., in France, which companies are in turn owned by the Governments of those countries.

 

I'd also have a look at the way that all of our public services are being sold off, or contracted out, to privately owned companies.  SERCO, Capita, Carrillion, G4S etc., etc., who continue to 'win' contracts and hoover up millions of

pounds of Taxpayers money, despite repeated failure to deliver what they were actually paid to deliver.  None of this is the result of Marxism, 'Political Correctness', Immigration, or any of the other things which seem to worry you.  Nope.  All achieved by our very own Tories and their mates, with a bit of help from T Bliar.

 

 

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By `ell Col, if this is you having the last word on the subject I'm glad that you're not going to keep going!

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Not trying to have the last word on anything Graham.  I think most if not all of my posts in this thread have addressed a different comment. But, when people post stuff which is factually incorrect, such as the stuff about Marx above, I just like to put things straight.

 

I've said this many times.  People are entitled to their views, but I don't believe people are entitled to support their views with inaccurate information, or to make potentially imflammatory statements without expecting a response.

 

A couple of things I'd like to respond to a bit later, because I owe those two posters a response, because they both addresed me.  Then I'm done... till the next politically charged 'one liner' appears.

 

I got into this thread because of the reference to Yaxley-Lennon.  I thought it was only fair to point out that he was not gaoled for his views, but for being a criminal. Then lots of others jumped in with assorted views.. on much wider topics as they are of course entitled to do.  And I'm entitled to respond.  Yet it seems it is only me that gets labelled for it.    Oh well... :)

 

 

Col

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Getting this thread back on track..

A heaving Nottingham in 1917 at the Patriot Fair.notts-patriotic-fair-1917.jpgShowing support for those who 'gave'.

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Meeowed has a point I think many agree with - political correctness is strangling free speech to the detriment of all.  Who here truly speaks their mind for fear of falling foul of the censors?

 

He's totally wrong about Marx. There is a delicious irony here in that if he read Das Kapital, the first volume, he would be forced to agree with him. Marx used the very situation Meeowd quotes, the exploitation of workers by Victorian mill owners, as evidence for his economic theories.

 

Had he said Corbyn's idol Lenin then that would make far more sense. I could expand this further but I can hear NS minds starting to glaze over.

 

So we have Col on the left and Meeowed on the right both alluding to a massive conspiracy by various factions. It would make interesting reading to see what drew them to those conclusions.

 

For myself I declare no affiliation and have in my time voted at least once for all the major political parties and for several independents at local level.

 

 

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Col, it's a very good job your here to put everyone right, when they are 'factually incorrect' but do tell me what make you so sure your always right, even I make the odd mistake, yes you heard it here folks NBL makes the odd mistake.

 

By the way Col you never got back about Corbyn's anti Semitism, even Tom Watson as now stated 'Labour face's eternal shame' over anti-Semitism.

 

Me I loved Mrs T, wish there was someone like here now the country needs it.

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Yes Colin, I too loved Maggie and wish Mrs May had her strength and qualities.    We certainly wouldn’t be in this mess if Maggie was in power.  Oops, sorry for getting political. 

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43 minutes ago, NewBasfordlad said:

Me I loved Mrs T, wish there was someone like here now the country needs it.

 

 

Blechhhh. Though to be honest I did vote for her first time round, pity she went power mad...

 

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Some very long winded posts Col, and I gave up halfway through the first. 

I was always told that anyone who goes overboard with their explanations has lost the argument. However, you'll no doubt give us your last, last, last word on the subject.

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In those days (from May 1979 through most of the 80s) we had a strong leadership and Government.  Today I couldn’t tell you who holds a particular Government Office,  they’re all nondescript individuals. If Labour were in power it would be the same ....... never heard of the majority of them, except Corbyn and Diane Abbott!! 

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Anyone who thinks Dianne Abbott warrants a cabinet position is dangerous in the extreme !

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Col at least makes intelligent observations - if you can't be bothered to read  a few paragraphs, then what does it say about you?  A contrary voice against the predominately right wing members (well, those who post).  Would never agree with those who think Thatcher was a "good thing"

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It's repetitive, that's why, and basically provocative to anyone with remotely opposing views.

Anyway, I'm perfectly happy with the way I am thank you.

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We're mostly of an age where we're all set in our ways, which have developed and formulated over many years, and non of us are going to change now, so thereby arguments such as this will carry on interminably.

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Quite possibly, but that's life. We could go round in circles eternally like verbal ping pong. 

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We all have our own Political opinions and leanings and that’s why we should refrain from getting into such discussions.  Nothing will change my mind regarding politics, no matter what a Nottstalgian or anyone else says and in fact this is possibly the first time I’ve ever commented on here about anything political because I don’t like to stir.   

So let’s get back to the title of this thread WORLD WAR ONE

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We won !

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We only won on paper though, and it took twenty years to recover.

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And I'm afraid we're still recovering from that one. Perpetual debt ! History in the making though !

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