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Unidentified pic by E.P. Short

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Recently mentioned on the WW1 thread was photographer E.P.Short .

This unidentified image by him is for sale on ebay . Presume its somewhere in Notts .

Anyone recognise the location or event ? Could be 1920s judging by dress and looks like a clergyman bottom left in the March .

Looks entirely male march some wearing regalia around their necks . Miners ? Masons ?

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What a brilliant photo!  Can't help with identification of where it is, though.  Looking at the 1911 census, he seems likely to be Ephraim Pope Short, Photographer, living at 35 Derby Rd, Nottingham.  He was still at that address when he died, in 1932

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E.P. Short was a big supporter of the Roman Catholic church indeed his son was Fr A.B. Short . 

A remote possibility that its Fr Short at the front of the march ? Perhaps filmed by his dad ? In which case the pic could even be (eek) Derbyshire rather than somewhere near Bulwell . 

 

 "........following appointments and changes are announced in the Nottingham R. C. diocese: Fr. A. B. Short, from St. Mary's, Derby, to Our Lady of Perpetual Succour. Bulwell". 
20 August 1926 - Nottingham Evening Post 
 
 
 
 ...... by the Rev. Father A. B. Short. The new church which will dedicated to “Our Lady of Perpetual Succour,"  to replace the temporary building Brooklyn-road, at the rear of the new housing estate which links Basford with Bulwell. The present church started in an old army hut....." 
20 April 1927 - Nottingham Journal 

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He was a regular photographer at the Cathedral..some of his Bishop portraits can be seen.Was the march something to do with Almshouses?

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Whatever the occasion is, they have removed their hats, all but one man. In the days of everyone wearing a hat, it is an unusual photo.

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At least five are wearing a 'collar' of office or rank similar to those of the Orange order, Masons or Union officials though I don't think it is any of those.

If it is a church parade why no women? The large banner looks like a women in a medieval gown, though it could equally be a boy in  a doublet. What that signifies I have no idea.

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Don't know why....and probably wrong.....but something about it says Yorkshire to me ?

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1 hour ago, katyjay said:

Whatever the occasion is, they have removed their hats, all but one man. In the days of everyone wearing a hat, it is an unusual photo.

Does the lack of hats by the menfolk (but not the few women in the parade) indicate a funeral procession?

Is there a cemetery or churchyard behind the stone wall, extreme left?

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Doing a bit of digging..seems on a very wet start of the day in 1919 there was a parade in Buxton & Derbyshire brought about by The Federation of Demobilised and Discharged Service of Soldiers and Sailors. Hundreds turned up..and more gathered along the way..

Rain turned to sunshine and it was deemed a huge success..and imitated elsewhere.

I typed and looked for a photo match..this turned up.29390.1.640.640.UNPAD.jpgCoats have similar lapel badges as above photo..banners too.

Ladies hats are of 1919 period in both.

Rained in the morning..sun later..hence carrying macs in hand in photo one?

As excpected in that days society..older men in both images tend to be wearing..butterfly collars etc..

Could be barking mad..or barking up the wrong tree( or both!).

Ian.

 

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Good sleuthing Ian !  Looks very likely . In Oct.1919 there was a similar march in Belper , some of the stonework could be from that area ?

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Indeed David..EP Short seems a little elusive..he has religous connections..and some of his Bishops portraits can be seen.

I looked on the Portrait Photographers History Site..quite a few military portraits.I found his Grandfather who was a picture dealer.Not a lot really David...i see Jerome Studios were very popular during this time. 

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I read on a similar march of demobbed soldiers that when they passed the war memorial the men did an eyes-right in acknowledgement to the fallen . 

Those at the front of the original photo appear to be doing that so it could be a churchyard on the left with memorial ?

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The chap in the middle of the group in the black hat and coat looks a foot taller than anyone else there. There's a man at the front (extreme right) closest camera with the cap has his medals on but he looks too old to have served in a recent war. A few seem to have a medal on.

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In the second picture, there could be a group of women towards the back of the march, followed by a group wearing some kind of regimental pith helmets? Could be a band, but I can't see any instruments.

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Carni some of the demob marches were reported as being led by local brass bands so it's possible .

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Yes..people can be seen paying respects..eyes right..and some have removed hats.I wonder if the elderly men fought in the Boer or Crimea?

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Can't help with the location but it's very probably Peace Day 19th July 1919. Massive numbers out in processions all around the country, celebrations, church services etc. The banner with the woman on it might be an RC church one.

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Yes! TBI..David pointed out his Dad was a Priest...AB Short. Maybe thats why he took the picture..?

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