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When a large group of women work together it can be dangerous for us men.  In 1970 I worked part time for a rag trade factory just off Alfreton Road near Canning Circus, for two weeks ,as much as I wanted the extra money, I couldn't cope for longer. My job was to take work to outdoor workers most of the time, the company had about 60 employees , the owner an elderly man, a middle aged Irish man who no one could understand , myself an innocent 20 year old and the rest women.  I admit I finished after 2 weeks a quivering wreck, most of the time I was out and about in the van, after the first day I tried to time things so I didn't have to go into the canteen, alas sometimes I failed.

To enter the torture chamber you took your life in your own hands, that's when your hands were not protecting vital parts of your body. Some of the things they demanded you do or tried to do were beyond belief,  one of the mildest things was when they placed a row of 12 old pennies on a table and was told to cover them with ******* , it was not a request it was a demand they were evil. I was then surrounded a  mob , I didn't know I could move so fast.

Even nowadays the thought of the place brings me out in cold sweats.

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The situations of the type elucidated by trogg were/are the norm where women make up the majority of the workplace. Even in all-male work environs, things were far from convivial.

 

All of this current female 'me2' sexual harassment crusade amounts to nothing more than a load of barlocks when compared to some of the goings-on in factories and offices by sex-mad workers (of all genders) on innocent new male employees. Described as 'initiation ceremonies' and 'harmless fun' these humiliations left some men and boys scarred for life (both mentally and physically).

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When I worked in an office in Nottingham in the 70’s new starters were sent to another department to ask for a long stand. Amazing how many (both male and female) fell for it. I always thought it was a bit cruel on your first day in a new job. 

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I agree that the current wave of hysteria regarding sexual harassment of women in the workplace is nauseating...and I'm a feminist!  Although I have never worked in a factory, I know people who have and the tales they tell of predatory behaviour by females are horrendous.

 

I've been on the receiving end of unwanted attentions from male colleagues from the day I entered the workplace. You either deal with it or leave. What's so difficult about that?

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Never really thought about men being sexually harassed......but i'm sure it happens.....the nearest iv'e been harassed by women (although at the time just thought it was funny) was when i was about 17 (1963/4) and relief manager at Marsdens Netherfield,,,the shop closed at 5.30 but i didn't know the Manager stayed open for the ladies that worked a local factory,,(Bourne street ?)

                                     I soon found out when trying to lock up at 5.30 the first day,, they were banging on the door and windows,,i let them in,,and they told me in no uncertain terms what they would do to me if i closed at 5.30 again...........Was nearly tempted........lol

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Nearly got sexually harassed in a lift when I worked for a short while at Hunt and Colleys on hucknall rd. Unfortunately someone else got in the lift on the next floor!!

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To a large extent, the baby has been thrown out with the bath water, as it were.

 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a bit of friendly banter or an affectionate gesture...an arm around the shoulders or even a hug, in the workplace.  It's a question of intention.  

 

The worst incident occurred when I was around 19  and was cornered one day in my office by a chap in his 60s.  He had always been pleasant and his behaviour on this particular day was very out of character. I was alone in the room but had I screamed or shouted, others would have heard me and arrived to investigate. I didn't scream or shout.  He grabbed me, I told him to let go, he didn't so he got kneed in the testicles. He let go then. There were a couple of heavy objects to hand with which I could have bashed him over the head and if he hadn't backed off I would have done so quite happily. I was very angry.

 

The following day, he turned up with a large box of chocolates and a profuse apology. I opened the chocolates and emptied them over his head.  He never came near me again. It was an unpleasant episode but hardly worthy of counselling!

 

I had done nothing to invite his behaviour but I accept that men and women sometimes get carried away with whatever is going on in their own heads.

 

That said, I have no sympathy for women who walk around scantily and provocatively clad, inebriated and then complain of serious sexual assault.  They undermine the tremendous efforts of generations of women who have fought for equality and they deserve all they get.

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My mum recalls as a you g girl working in the shipyard in Barrow in Furness she was often asked to go and find a male and female plug, connection or whatever . When she went off to find them  they always gave her explicit actions of what they intended. Very embarrassing for a young girl. But she gave back plus what she was given. 

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Well said Jill,,,as much as i enjoy 'Banter' on a Daily basis,,would be ashamed of myself if i took it too far,,and iv'e never been tempted to,,,even with the Scanty clads'' in fact they turn me off completely,,you can complement a lady without Vulgarity,,,

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Spot on Ben. No one can turn me on just with a vulgar comment ! Anyway, I've always been shy !

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True, Ben. Sadly, some people of both genders don't know when they've crossed the line. They don't even know the line exists!

 

I've been accused, in my time, of being anti male. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, I get on better with men than women due to the absence of bitchiness in men.

 

What I won't tolerate is being regarded as a piece of meat in the butcher's window and, during my working life, I've met many males who think it's acceptable. I've never hesitated to impress upon them that it isn't.

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The trouble is for men these days is that you’ve only got to look at a woman to be accused of being a pervert and put on the sex offenders register. As for talking to a child or patting it on the head - don’t even go there! How do people get to meet with the opposite sex (or should it be the same sex!) these days. I suppose it’s all done through dating sites where all participants have a common agenda.

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After leaving our Beer Off in the 1980s I still needed to earn money, so took up a counter assistant position in a town center Butchers shop. There was sexual harassment  on a daily basis, not only that but bullying as well. We had a large walk in Fridge freezer by the shop floor. It was guaranteed that if you had to go in there, one of the male butchers would run in and shut the door. I will leave the rest to your imagination.

 

You may think 'Why not report it'? To be honest, no point, you might as well leave the job as you would be shunned or laughed at for being a prude. We had one particular Butcher who was about 6ft 5in and well over 20stone, ( No problem there, if he had  had a few manners )he would come to the counter with a tray of meat to stock up, he didn't say excuse me, but would just side shove you out of the way, no contest, being 5ft 2in and half his weight. 

 

I don't think for one minute they would get away with it today.

 

 

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I think the problem back then - and if it still exists today - is that the men involved see it as "..oh, it's just a bit of fun, having a laugh". 

 

Which is not how the person on the receiving end sees it.

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That's fair enough, provided the males concerned are prepared to accept being kicked in the testicles or having a sharp object thrust in them as part of the fun. The thing is, they don't! Tough. If you can't take it, don't dish it out. :Shock:

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There is a hell of a difference between banter and harassment and its about time some people understood this. There is no justification what so ever for harassment , you have to know the person well before you start banter as they may consider it harassment  and you must respect that persons views. 

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Correct there Trogg, I had a manager who thought it was funny to wrestle some of the guys and draw rude pictures on their foreheads or bare backs with felt tip pens,when reported and challenged about his behaviour he said it was just banter,it was not, it was a form of bullying,degrading and humiliating to the other person,tried it once with me ( I was his assistant manager) but after shoving him up against the wall and threatening to rip his throat out (no witnesses) I said to him "whats up mate it's only banter" he never tried it again. I aint no snowflake or do-gooder but I do have respect for others

 

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Don't get me wrong: I am no advocate of violence in any form. However, if someone invades my personal space without my permission and is intending actions of which I don't approve, I am going to protect myself and use any means to do so. In my view, everyone has that right. If it results in injury to the perpetrator, hard cheese. Might make them think twice next time.

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As that American kept saying of England yesterday.  No guns.

Whatever one thinks about that there are some here and even the ladies can pack a small weapon.  I don't advocate gun violence but a guy better be careful.  That act of harassment could be the last thing he does. The law would almost certainly side with the victim.

I tend to keep my distance from all ladies and I don't make smart remarks.  I'm a bit long in the tooth for all that anyway.

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I never took you as a snowflake anyway Jill. smile2

 

When I went on NCT in the 70s & women bus drivers were joining the ranks we alway's pulled the handbrake on that extra notch !

Many times they had to go to the depot & ask a fitter to release the handbrake for them, bit of fun but certainly no sexual harrassment from anyone.

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I sometimes despair of the younger generation of women, it seems the slightest thing is classed as sexual harrassment. Are all the younger generation of women so spineless that a wolf whistle can cause mental distress. When I was younger it was more upsetting not to get one when you walked past a building site together with the ensuing retort. Perhaps my generation were bought up tougher than the present one. I am in no way minimising real harrassment of any kind but come on ladies (and some gentlemen) get a grip and stop crying wolf so real harrassment can be investigated.

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Geoffrey..Walter Outram was my boss on My Fair Lady production...on 12 hr nights..smashing bloke..he came down from Cussons and K.Vale i believe.

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