Fishfinger 10 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 I know this topic is mentioned on several threads, but the dire “search” facility won’t find them for me! I’m trying to find out *exactly* where the building was that was hit - was it the building that still exists that is painted blue, that was recently the Stephen Jenkins bed/bathroom place, or was it a separate one? I’ve been looking at old aerial photos, but am no wiser. Also, I’ve seen a sketch map of the layout, but can’t now find it - was it on Nottstalgia, or a different site? Thirdly, I know I’ve read an eye-witness account online, but again, can’t now find it. I’m also trying to find out more about the Dakeyne St shelter incident, but can only find snippets. Help, please, from them as knows! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 491 Posted October 1, 2019 Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 The michaelemdwards article on this Google search gives a sketch, is that what you saw? https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Co-op+Bakery+Bombing And there's a Nottstalgia link in the search; 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,454 Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 I'm pretty sure (but can't prove it for certain) that the bakery is this building with the chimney. The rectangular building behind it is still there - was Stephen Jenkins and now Nottm Office Equipment. May of the other buildings are still there, but have been modified and/or extended. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 491 Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 There seem to be conflicting reports of the exact building, this link suggests one; http://www.nottingham21.co.uk/build_coop_bakery_1.htm 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSR 286 Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Couple of years ago..This was briefly covered on the rediscovering Nott's TV channel..my new dish no longer finds this.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert smith 803 Posted October 10, 2019 Report Share Posted October 10, 2019 Sorry CT, nice pic. but the confectionery/bakery was further back directly onto the river bank, a large concrete wall at that point. After the raid it was almost impossible to get into the basement to reach the casualties so a barge was tied aganst the concrete wall and a hole drilled through to complete the grisly task of recovering them. My Aunt, Hilda Frost, went into work there at 6.30 am and removed the time cards from the burning rack so it was known who were present that terrible night. The Frosts and Smiths were 3-400 yds. away on Brand St. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,454 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 12 hours ago, albert smith said: Sorry CT, nice pic. but the confectionery/bakery was further back directly onto the river bank, a large concrete wall at that point. Thanks for that Albert. There are a lot of comments on the internet from people who think they know where it might've been; you're the first I've seen who knows exactly where it was. Is it correct to say the bakery was the building which used to be Stephen Jenkins Bedrooms (now Nottingham Office Equipment) ?...which is the large white rectangular building in the photo. https://goo.gl/maps/UstK9dUv5yQZNa9d7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert smith 803 Posted October 11, 2019 Report Share Posted October 11, 2019 Phew CT what a surprise that Google pic. is, if it hadn't been for the ex-railway bridge,Lady Bay, I don't think I would have recognised the area. No it's next door the bakery would have been where the 6 apex roof building is, not the 'blue, bedroom/bathroom building' although in the bottom right corner of that pic. is the start of the concrete wall i mentioned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,269 Posted October 12, 2019 Report Share Posted October 12, 2019 I remember the Lady Bay Railway bridge well as we used to walk over it to get to the Forest ground after parking on Meadow Lane and a couple of pints of Home Brewery 4 or 5 star? in the Magpie. Like Albert the area looks nothing like what I remember. Can only fix the location from the County ground and the Lady Bay Bridge. When did they make old track bed into a traffic bridge? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 491 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 The concrete wall is shown here if you look from the other side of the Trent supporting the 6 apex building; https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.941817,-1.1326512,3a,30y,345.53h,87.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAF1QipNZHlQO6PJewSJoHDgQvD_n_OeyqGMTB-U8VQex!2e10!7i5376!8i2688?hl=en If you read the description in the article linked below, UNA descibes the building more recently known as Stephen Jenkins and the aftermath of the bomb. The staff canteen was on the Ground floor and had the large glass windows facing the Trent. The Offices were above. The ground floor would be determined from Meadow lane not the River side where the canteen is elevated above another area. After the bomb the offices and the windows were undamaged and UNA and another clerk went down the metal stairs (fire exit?) at the back of the offices to see the damage http://www.mooch.org.uk/serious/una/una1940s01.html#i02 There's a report of a firewatcher's death here just short of half way down the page , the first report dated 9th May 1941 Eric Saunders; http://www.nottsfirefightermemorial.org/In Memory.htm And finally if you look at the picture CliffTon posted above the 2 riverside pents are 3 storeys high and the description in the fire memorial site says the FLOORS above collapsed into the basement; Looking here all the roof is the same height and the last 3 don't quite match the others; And they've been extended from the earlier photo, presumably when rebuilt after the bomb; 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,454 Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Oztalgian said: When did they make old track bed into a traffic bridge? 1980-81. It was used in the TV series 'Smiley's People' which was broadcast in 1982. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fishfinger 10 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Thanks all for the information. As mentioned, there is so much conflicting material about as to which was the actual building - you’d have thought it was something so literally burnt into the city’s psyche it would be well known! Mega thanks to Clif Ton for the aerial shot - I have seen several, but this one is new to me, and really helped in sorting out the bakery location. Presumably the little vehicles dotted about are the ‘new electric delivery vans’ mentioned by Una? I can’t remember now if I asked this elsewhere, but does anyone know where the online eye witness account of the bomb might be? I know I read it online, but on my phone, so I haven’t been able to retrace my steps to find it. Yes, gruesome interest, I know, but I’m working on a novel set in WWII in a fictionalised Vale of Belvoir, so Nottingham features quite a bit Totally unrelated, but something that came out of looking at the aerial photis - when were the Cattle Market gates at the County Road entrance (Anchor end) put up? They are definitely Victorian-looking, but in the 1920s photos I’ve seen, the road goes straight into the top of the Cattle Market and no gates. Were they perhaps removed, then re-installed later? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 491 Posted October 16, 2019 Report Share Posted October 16, 2019 Meadow Lane gates were made in 1886; http://www.riverwyre.com/nottingham/album/index.htm?509_M http://www.riverwyre.com/nottingham/album/index.htm?510_M http://www.riverwyre.com/nottingham/album/index.htm?511_M Incinerator Rd gates made in the same year 1886; http://www.riverwyre.com/nottingham/album/index.htm?504_M Didn't realise they were Grade II Listed; https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1247105 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,269 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 This might help if the bl**dy thing would work http://www.warstateandsociety.com/Bombing-Britain Don't know if it is free or by subscription Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 491 Posted October 17, 2019 Report Share Posted October 17, 2019 Took a bit of playing around but got there. It shows as West Bridgford and has a lower number of deaths than shown elsewhere; 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob1664 0 Posted October 10, 2021 Report Share Posted October 10, 2021 The white bricks that made a surface that can be cleaned are still visible from the bomb, the notts TV covered it very well. They are right next to the river where the concrete wall is, you can walk right upto them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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