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Date of Burrow's street map?

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There's a 6th ed Burrow's Pointer Guide street map of the City available at NottsHistory.org but it just says 1960s (Taxi Ray posted a link a few years ago).  Can anyone narrow the date down a bit, based on what is there or not there?  For instance a dotted line for the part of Clifton Boulevard that runs down by Lenton Lane so that must have been in planning.

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If anyone wants to look, this is it.    http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/resources/maps/Nottingham/nottinghamstreetmapc1960.pdf

 

Looking at the part by Clifton Boulevard which The Engineer mentioned, the dotted line is the ring road bridge which goes over the railway near Dunkirk at Abbey Street. I can remember going over that bridge when it first opened and it would've been about 1963-64. So I'd assume the map is just before that.

 

 

UPDATE

 

I have an actual copy of one of those maps. Mine is 7th edition and dated 1961. The one in the PDF is 6th edition, so.........

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Thank you.  I was minded to check when the temporary Dunkirk flyover (up ramp, flat top, down ramp) was built and see that was around 1968/9.

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Clifton Bridge opened to traffic 5 June 1958, (in some reports but as early as March in others) so the link from Abbey st / Beeston road must have been built and also come into use on the same day.

https://www.macearchive.org/films/midlands-news-05061958-princess-alexandra-opens-clifton-bridge-nottingham

 

Burrows was probably out of date when it was published , late 50's, maybe.

 

And that was around the time bodies were allegedly being buried under new roads under construction around the country. :Shock:

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Stuart.C said:

Clifton Bridge opened to traffic 5 June 1958, (in some reports but as early as March in others) so the link from Abbey st / Beeston road must have been built and also come into use on the same day.

 

The link to Dunkirk didn't come until later.  When Clifton Bridge was first opened in 1958, the part of Clifton Boulevard down to Dunkirk didn't exist; it was not built until several years later. Until then all traffic coming off Clifton Bridge turned onto Queens Drive going past the front of Wilford Power Station....or went down the old Lenton Lane to come out near the White Hart at Lenton.

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3 hours ago, The Engineer said:

Thank you.  I was minded to check when the temporary Dunkirk flyover (up ramp, flat top, down ramp) was built and see that was around 1968/9.

Yes, that's right. I had a pal lived off Beeston Rd and used to cycle there regularly. I'd say construction actually started late '67.

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TBI, I can remember driving a Daimler fleetline over the traffic island in '65, so what were the flyover I went on?

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You're cracking me up, BK. Not in '65 I don't think though. Perhaps a special Daimler fleetline powered by a Flux Capacitor doing a literal 'flyover' ?:biggrin:.

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Lenton Times have photos of the history of both flyovers. According to their dates, the first one was built in 1968-69 and the second in 1989.

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I must live in a twilight world then, cos' I finished with the Corpo' at early 1967. The last time I drove the 53 from Clifton, Southchurch drive to valley road. When approaching that area I had to brake for traffic. The air brake failed and the little warning arm came next to the gear lever, so I had no brakes. I pulled on the hand brake and coasted down to the traffic island and coasted onto the start of university  boulevard, instead of going over to the bus stop. (Is that bit Clifton boulevard, where queens med.is , before western boulevard?). Passengers were moaning I'd  gone the wrong way, until my conductor explained I'd got no brakes.

Or have I got it confused with driving over it in a car.  I bow to your  superior knowledge. 

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Yes, ring road going north and east, Clifton Boulevard as far as Derby Road then Middleton Boulevard up to Ilkeston Road, Western Boulevard after that round to Radford Road then Valley Road to meet Mansfield Road.

So, back to dating, Clifton Bridge opened 1958 and is there on the 6th Edition.  Cliff Ton's 7th Edition is dated 1961.  That narrows it down sufficiently to 1959/60 for 6th Edition.

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Beekay...your story about the brakeless bus makes sense to me.

 

You would've travelled along the ring-road from Clifton towards Dunkirk; if it was pre-1967 there was no flyover so all traffic would've approached the junction/roundabout at ground level. NCT buses on normal services have never gone over any of the flyovers...always round them at ground level.

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Like I  said, I  bow to your superior knowledge. What does an old fart like me, who has been in exile for over 32 years, know about Nottingham. When I first started on the buses, the 53 service terminated at Dunkirk island. It used to come down Clifton blvd.and u-turned round Dunkirk island to a layby bus stop, ready for our return journey to Valley rd./Mansfield rd. I was still a conductor when it was extended to Clifton, so that must have been before November 1964, (when I went into the driving school at Carter gate). Forgive the confusion. Grey cell matter gerrin' old.

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My Dad tells the story of doing a "paddy" with one of the 501-522 series Leyland Atlanteans and going over the flyover at around 40 mph, and wondering if he'd need a change of underwear once he reach ground level.

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Wonder if that were Mike O'Brien, out of Bilborough depot. That's the sort of thing he would do.

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The original Dunkirk flyover was quite crude, look as though it was in 3 sections, quite narrow too. When we ran light back from Clifton I sometimes used the flyover at Clifton bridge, saved going round the roundabout.

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