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19 minutes ago, DJ360 said:

covid patients are taking up  a lot of hospital bed spaces whilst others are dying from more severe but treatable ailments

 

Can't agree witht that...:

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-uk-hospital-admissions/

 

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Margie is right. I keep popping in to see how you all are. Thankyou all so much for your posts.   I'm afraid we are not very well the pair of us. This must be the 'Long Covid' that we hear a

I really wish that more people were afraid. For their own safety.    I don't think anyone who hasn't witnessed in reality a person down on their hands and knees gasping  with a chest full of

Am in total dismay at the human race. It's becoming more like Mad Max at the moment.        This me me society we have created cares only about themselves: I'm alright Jack, the rest of you can f

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Jim, I didn't say what you quoted. That was Phil's comment which I quoted.

 

My own reading of the news in general and confirmed by your link, show that it is not Covid patients in hospital 'per se' that is the cause of problems in other areas of care.  The problems seem to me to be cumulative effects of:

-Hospitals being perceived as 'dangerous places' by many..which discourages attendance..esp. at A&E with chest pains for e.g.

-GP Surgeries strongly discouraging face to face appointments..to protect both practitioners and patients.

-Certain 'non critical' hospital appointments being cancelled.. re-scheduled, or switched to remote consultations.

 

There does appear to be a genuine issue around cancer.. both in the investigation and diagnosis phase, and in the treatment phase. People are seemingly afraid to go to Docs/hospitals..thus delaying diagnosis and treatment.  Add in that it seems much treatment was postponed at the height of the Covid crisis, which has created a backlog.

 

In short.  Blame Covid... the virus.. but not the few poor sods still admitted to hospital with it.

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I do sometimes wonder if the virus had been more severe in children/young adults with them being the most at risk if things might have been done differently.

 Wonder if us of a certain age would have been writing comments about it only being a small percentage that die so what is the problem like some of the comments I have seen on line. 

Also is it possible the high figures we are getting at the moment are as a result of increased capacity in testing? Possibly wishful thinking. I see there have been “outbreaks” in 21 schools in England up to yesterday. Must be all those teachers not socially distancing at coffee time as per Jenny Harris!  Dread to think what Nottinghams figures will be when the students are all here. 
 

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SG I think you may be right. When we have the daily reports new case numbers are given saying plus**** more or less ***** than yesterday, with so many swabs taken ( more or less than yesterday) then the number of deaths again stating more or less than yesterday. At the end we have actual cases, actual deaths, in intensive care and cured. 

To me it's easier to understand and you can see if it seems to be getting worse or better. When people started to return from holidays we were warned that positive cases would go up and they did from 530 to over 1000 + in 24 hrs. They are slowly going down but the swabs vary. I  think as many do that we will still have a problem getting rid of this virus. To us it seems it's always been and continues to be in Lombardia. 

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I hope so nonna, I really do. I was starting to do a little bit more albeit cautiously. Been for a couple of meals on the governments scheme, but had a table outside didnt feel safe going indoors. Even sat outside under a parasol in the rain eating our meal, and, no, we weren’t the only ones all the tables, well socially distanced, were full!
Also ventured into town for the first time since January, goodness where has the year gone. Didn’t get the bus, parked at the Forest park and ride and walked into town via the Arbritum (spelling), bit disappointed in the birds there they were all cockatiels. I can remember the Mynah bird that Wolf whistled and knew swear words as well. We just went to Primark, had a little wander round and then walked back to the Forest. Glad the library has reopened now, have got a Kindle but it isn’t the same as reading a book. 
If the figures do continue to rise, Nottingham’s have really increased past few weeks although not as bad as a lot of places, I don’t think we will be expanding our activities any more at all.
I don’t know if I will be contacted by the school about invigilating at any exams later this year. I really enjoy it but will have to think long and hard about doing it and would want to be able to wear a mask\visor before even considering it. Even then I am not sure about it. 
On the whole I suppose I am in a routine now, I don’t mind my own company (in a lot of cases I prefer it to being social - sounds awful but I don’t have a high opinion of most people, present company excepted, prefer my few friends, close family and most of all Kai) so I am quite content. 
Unfortunately I think we will have to live with the virus for a while to come, hopefully a vaccine will emerge and the actual treatment seems to be getting better with the various drugs that help alleviate the symptoms but not outright cure. It could also mutate to a less virulent strain possibly. So there could be a small chink of light at the end of the tunnel. :unsure:



 

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1 hour ago, DJ360 said:

Jim, I didn't say what you quoted.

 

I realised that, apologies for giving the wrong impression. I made the same comment after Phil's post but never pressed submit...

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As our children are about to start back to school the situation is extremely worrying. The news last night revealed that 13,000 teachers have been found positive. My grandchildren have started to recuperate their lost lessons and will start the proper schooling in a couple of weeks. Apparently their schools are missing a lot of teachers ( covid?)  I hope the news a moment or two ago is that temperatures although not compulsory at school are now being taken outside schools before children go in for lessons. 

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Our Great granddaughter started back last week. She arrives here most mornings to be taken to school and then she is collected and stays here til mum and dad get back from work (essential jobs). Should we be worried? Well yes, but it is more important that we take the risk and support the family. If everyone of our age (~80) declined to do their bit and expected to be protected, maybe services would grind to a halt. While taking appropriate precautions, life still has to go on, even if the population gets thinned out a bit :(

 

Just a thought - if the older population takes a big hit and is reduced, then the private pension providers should profit when all of these annuity payments cease prematurely. Less state pension to pay out too. Just hoping that the Chancellor is not banking on this!

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My 2 nephews started back 2 weeks ago. Different start and finish times for every class to reduce amount of people waiting at the gates. Last Monday it was closed again as 2 teachers have COVID. Don't think they should have reopened. Both nephews are in 'bubbles' of over 30!!

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We took our one and only Grandchild to Birmingham on Friday to begin her adventure at Aston University. She was the first to arrive at her shared accommodation on the campus, today three more will arrive, there will be seven all together. They have a communal Kitchen with all amenities, and their own on suite  bedrooms.

 

No Freshers week activities as all  have been cancelled due to the virus.

 

She Is going out to explore Birmingham later today with one of her new flat mates. The flat mates are from all over England. I pray that apart from the usual dangers of life in a big city, that everyone is Covid free. 

 

 

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My Grand daughter started her 2nd year at Coventry today and a Grandson starts his first year at Sheffield next week. What with corona virus and away from their families I am sure they will be OK , but I am still concerned.

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Our Granddaughter got a place last year at Warwick, it was closer to Coventry than Warwick, it would have been her second year as well, but she decided to have a year off and also go to Aston as it is easier to get home, as her mum is partially disabled and limited in mobility. I understand your being concerned Trogg, I'm the same. We never stop fretting after them, it's called Love.

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3 hours ago, Cliff Ton said:

Den, I'm not sure he fits the description of a 'man'. According to this report he was 19yrs old, so probably a student who lived in the house and invited all his mates.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-54131030

 

And not a hope in hell of paying a 10k fine so there was absolutly no point doing it. Unless it's an object lesson and makes a good headline  to keep the riff-raff in check.

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I read an article by Luke Johnson in today’s Sunday Times, it puts this ‘pandemic’ into perspective.  
How many of us actually remember the Hong Kong Flu Epidemic of 1968-69?  I don’t ....... maybe it was because I was a teenager enjoying life to the full or maybe it wasn’t being reported on TV and radio, which was all we had in those days, apart from newspapers.   No internet, social media etc. to stir up fear 50 years ago.

Luke Johnson says that according to Encyclopaedia Britannica between one million and four million people died of Hong Kong flu worldwide.  At that time the global population was only half of what it is today, 7.8 billion. Covid-19 is unlikely to kill one million people.  Half a century ago the world took a pandemic in its stride, we all carried on going to work and socialising.  This time almost a third of the country’s working population has been paid to be idle, sitting at home, enjoying a lovely summer of sunshine and warmth.  Children have missed out on vital schooling and important exams.  Businesses have gone bust, cancer and heart operations have been put on hold, the damage this pandemic has done is immeasurable.  

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My grandchildren start back to school tomorrow. They've already recuperated something but don't suppose it's much. Talking to my DIL there are so many things they can do and can't do besides the usual there's the worry of them not being able to have a snack at lunch times. They don't have school dinners, the two boys who are now at the same school have a bar nearby where they can get a sandwich, a slice of pizza or whatever but social distancing can be impossible at lunch times . Their sister is at a different school for her first year . There is no restaurant or bar nearby. Which means that she has to take something from home, but there's a restriction, they aren't allowed to take food from home because of any allergy problems. if they happen to,share their food. She's not a baby and is very sensible so it's unlikely that she will share her food. So not sure how she's going to go on or what she's likely to take.  They all leave the house at 7 am to get to school for 8. Catching the bus here to Alba and then having a long walk to school. By the time lunch time comes at 1 pm they will be hungry. At the moment they don't know what their hours will be but it's always a long day for them. Then there's always extra homework they have to do.

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