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Good basis for a conspiracy theory. There is nothing wrong with the word gullible but QAnon  have such a long reach and influence that any derogatory post is removed and the author banned...

 

That'll be it Jim!!! :Shock:

 

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I’m not sure you should be getting your Covid advice & information or any information off Facebook @nonnaB& @DJ360It’s for the gullible :crazy: turn the news off, stop buying & readings those newspapers & life will become oh so much sweeter & you might live slightly longer? 

 

Red, I think I can spot bull**** when I see it.  I don't read papers, and I do watch the News on the telly, though with  healthy dose of scepticism about the BBC and its editorial choices.

 

I'm not sure walking about with my fingers in my ears and my head in the sand is conducive to a life..much less a long one.  :rolleyes:

 
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Margie is right. I keep popping in to see how you all are. Thankyou all so much for your posts.   I'm afraid we are not very well the pair of us. This must be the 'Long Covid' that we hear a

I really wish that more people were afraid. For their own safety.    I don't think anyone who hasn't witnessed in reality a person down on their hands and knees gasping  with a chest full of

Am in total dismay at the human race. It's becoming more like Mad Max at the moment.        This me me society we have created cares only about themselves: I'm alright Jack, the rest of you can f

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2 hours ago, MargieH said:

@DJ360  how long do you have to stay in Facebook ‘jail’ ?

 

It's down to 27 hours now Margie, but I don't seem to be getting any time off for Good Behaviour.

 

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If that was done to me Col.,I'd towd 'em to stuff it and stuck to NS or WhatsApp. But then again, that's my humble opinion and I don't use FB anyway.

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Sorry RR youve got the wrong person. I don't have FB. Many of these

" news" are here and not in UK . Sorry but youve got such a flippant attitude towards covid. No one wants it rammed into them but it exists and I think a bit more attention to its progress should be taken a bit more seriously. No one really wants to hear about levels and deaths but its reality. Fortunately I live in a country that is doing what is required to curb the infection even though our numbers have increased, but I have noticed that other countries including UK are following our examples.

These increases in cases has been brought about by no vax demonstrating in tens of thousands. Interviewed in tv many are dying and begging people to be vaccinated and you can see how ill they really are. If they dont want the vaccine then thats their right  albeit a foolish one. You got vaccinated so you must have been a bit concerned. ???

Do you live in a little bubble where you cant see out.? And thankyou I do have a very sweet and contented life.

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Owd Boris can't do right for wrong If he'd brought in restrictions people would moan & if he didn't people would moan, not his biggest fan, but credit where credits due for not over reacting like Wales and Scotland.

Happy New Year President Johnson :victory:

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On a different level to what is happening in the UK, here in South Australia sadly we have just had our 5th death. It is not yet sure if the death of a 94 year old woman was with or of Covid. However, it was the loved one of families that are now mourning her loss. We had just shy of 1,000 cases today and have had 5,238 cases since the state government stupidly opened our borders on 23 November despite our hospitals, ambulance services and testing capability being woefully under prepared and resourced and the health professionals advising against it.

We have moved from protecting the people to protecting the government and the "system" by scaling back testing and quarantine levels because the "system" was not coping with the rules made by the government?

Personally I am pi$$ed off that due to the Federal governments incompetence and failure to plan and order sufficient doses of vaccines I received two doses of the AZ vaccine, which we now find is giving us very little protection after 4 months. We are due our booster which will be Pfizer in 9 days. Until then we are keeping a low profile. Who knows what comes next? A booster every three months?

We have the opportunity to rid ourselves of the incompetent conservative side of government at both State and Federal levels with elections in Q1 and Q2 next year. I hope the people of Australia and South Australia remember when it comes time to cast their votes.

 

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46 minutes ago, Oztalgian said:

I received two doses of the AZ vaccine, which we now find is giving us very little protection after 4 months.

 

There are a myriad of reports on the vaccinations effectiveness and results depend on the tests and how the data is collated.

 

This from Australia:

 

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/evidence-indicates-astrazeneca-and-pfizer-covid-va

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What really, really gets up my nose (apart from a test swab!) is the sheer irresponsibility and cockiness among the younger generation who take delight in not wearing a mask knowing that there’s absolutely nothing anyone can do about it.

Went to the arena last night to watch the ice hockey and most of the spectators were complying with the requirement to wear a mask. However a certain “element” seemed hell-bent on sneering at everyone else.

Three young men sat behind me - no masks at all. Not eating or drinking all night and impervious to my “hard stares”! What’s the odds on three guys sitting together, all exempt?

Three teenage girls dancing on the steps, right next to a steward. At the end of the evening I politely (because I realise how powerless he is) asked why he said nothing to them. He replied that they were exempt. I then asked him why, if they were exempt, was one wearing her mask underneath her chin! Poor guy just shrugged.

Why do these people think they are so “cool” and funny? 

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They'll revise their opinion of themselves when they fall foul of Covid, AG. Many young, unvaccinated people have died of this virus. Apparently, some were heard on their death beds expressing the wish that they'd done things differently.

 

Ah, the power of hindsight.

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10 hours ago, Brew said:

There are a myriad of reports on the vaccinations effectiveness and results depend on the tests and how the data is collated.

Brew, that report is from May 2021, the latest data from HIQA Dec 2021 indicates that for over 65's the efficacy of AZ drops to as  low as 36% after 6 months.

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9 hours ago, radfordred said:

Not sure we can call it a vaccine, a vaccine is something which provides immunity, what we have just takes the edge off it. 

 

I'm quite happy to have the 'Edge' taken off of death.  You can't be 'a bit dead', you are either dead or alive.  Seems to me the jab increases your chances of being alive. I'm fully jabbed, but I'd have a jab a day if it kept Covid from killing me.

 

Now don't ask me to explain this bit Red, because I don't understand it either.. but some jabs give lifelong immunity and some don't.  Flu jabs are only partially effective for instance, and need 'boosting' every year, but they stop a lot of deaths.

 

As  understand it.. the Common Cold Research Unit which operated for decades here, was eventually wound up because they couldn't come up with either a 'cure',or a long term vaccine, against Colds., but then colds hardly ever kill people, so it was only really an economic consideration, to prevent millions of days of absences from work.

 

Colds are caused by Rhinoviruses and a few Coronaviruses. Our natural immunity doesn't last, which is why we get a few of them per year normally.

 

So it's hardly surprising that the Covid vaccines also fade.  They have not failed.  They have saved millions of lives.

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12 hours ago, philmayfield said:

Apparently there is a £60 fine in Wales if you’re caught going into the office if you can work from home. The police state Is here!

 

Police state my a£$e!! You ain't seen nothing yet.  That is a sensible sanction for people who insist on doing something they don't need to do.  No different to speeding.

 

Wait till Johnson, or his inevitably much more capable Tory successor tells you whether you can vote, or protest, or makes it impossible for you to appeal to the courts, because he will just overrule them. That is what Johnson and his Tory backers are working towards.

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Which is the point I was making, different statisticians will draw different conclusions according to  whatever criteria they set out with.

Look hard enough and long enough and they will find something they can present as conclusive proof, just like any good conspiracy theory.

I have read quite a few reports, the one you quoted doesn't seem to be backed by such as :

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210930/Comparison-of-Pfizer-Moderna-JJ-AZ-vaccines-for-neutralization-titer-against-Delta-and-other-variants.aspx

 

 

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10 hours ago, radfordred said:

a vaccine is something which provides immunity

 

Not sure the scientists would support that statement RR

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This house is watching the BBC Christmas Lecture series. The series so far this year has covered Covid, Sars,  flu, epidemiology, t-cells, the development of vaccines and how these work on viruses. Superbly illustrated with models and practical demonstrations as usual. Very enlightening.

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I have it recording, but broached the topic rather diffidently with Mrs. Col, as she interprets my watching of the news at least once daily, and my general cautiousness over Covid, as 'obsession'.

Surprisingly, when I mentioned it, she said: "Oh..that should be interesting!"  :)

 

I was  first introduced to the idea of Christmas Lectures whilst at High Pavement.  Our mad Chemistry teacher 'Dinky' Dunn did a fine line in explosive lectures, and we were also taken to some at colleges in the City.

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Aaahh, but the trick is to live, whilst giving over a suitable portion of your thoughts and actions, to the postponement of dying.  :rolleyes:

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27 minutes ago, DJ360 said:

Aaahh, but the trick is to live, whilst giving over a suitable portion of your thoughts and actions, to the postponement of dying.  :rolleyes:

As Woody Allen said, "The only way to live to be a hundred is to give up everything that makes it worth living that long"

My Grandma's interpretation "moderation in all things"

The trouble is, every day the "experts" add to my list of banned things as well as the things now found to be good for me.

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24 minutes ago, radfordred said:

Very naughty @Brew

 

Ooer I've dun it again....  highlighted the bit I'm commenting on... helps with those who can't read more than three lines at a time..    :rolleyes:

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