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One of the growth industries since the whole CV thing started has been the increase in the number of armchair experts.

 

They know everything - and criticise it - after it's happened. If they were in a position of power they wouldn't know where to start.

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I realise this is an unprecented situation but it seems to me, although I might be wrong, that we have not learnt by mistakes made by us and others. It seems that precious time was lost after the lockdown to get testing and track and trace up to the world beating or even adequate systems that they are required to be. 
I appreciate that there has been a surge in people wanting a test, not sure it is all caused by people who want a test before they go on holiday, but surely with the schools going back this was always going to happen especially as our figures were “running hot” and not as low as other countries at that time and with pubs etc, opening up.
Whilst not blaming anyone the younger generation have had it drummed into them they either don’t get the virus or only very mildly so of course they are going to socialise, you feel invulnerable when you are young. I do wonder if it had been worse in children/young adults if things might have been different. 
Would some decentralisation of the track and trace have helped utilising local services and knowledge perhaps? The same with schools going back, which became politicised when the first attempt didn’t materialise, it seemed the determination was there to get them back no matter what. Surely you go to the people who deal with it day to day to find the best solution? 
It is a conundrum of vast proportions trying to balance the economy with the spread of the virus and I certainly don’t envy those making the decisions. At least now they seem to be grasping things need to be done quickly as things start to go pear shaped so there might be a glimmer of hope. 

 

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53 minutes ago, Stavertongirl said:

I realise this is an unprecented situation but it seems to me, although I might be wrong, that we have not learnt by mistakes made by us and others.

 

It's a view SG but not one we can say for certain is right or wrong. We can't for instance know how much worse things would have been had we not applied the lessons learned, or if they made the wrong decisions.

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’ ....the younger generation have had it drummed into them they either don’t get the virus or only very mildly so of course they are going to socialise, you feel invulnerable when you are young. I do wonder if it had been worse in children/young adults if things might have been different. 

57 minutes ago, Stavertongirl said:

 

I agree ... if it were my  children and grandchildren at the most risk, I would do EVERYTHING I could to protect them by following guidelines and probably being even stricter than recommended.

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On 9/13/2020 at 11:06 PM, LizzieM said:

How many of us actually remember the Hong Kong Flu Epidemic of 1968-69?

I remember the great Hong Kong Flu Epidemic of 1968-69 .....

All of a sudden .... nothing happened and we all got on with life largely oblivious of the 30,000 + that lost their lives

I was too young to remember the Flu epidemic of 1957 which killed upwards of 20,000 people in the UK.

14 hours ago, HSR said:

That's interesting havent heard that for over thirty years. maybe some Nottingham musical connection..

SNAFU is an Army saying "Situation Normal All F***ed Up"

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I was sorry to hear that England I or should I say parts of it are going once more into lockdown. I hope Nottingham doesn't become too infected . So friends take care .

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I hope they don't  either Nonna. I'm due to go up there, the second week of December. I've got to pay a holiday balance next week, for over a £1000.  Why can't  people be sensible.

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Last night on Italian news, 13,000 new cases in 24 hrs in GB. Showing scenes of hundreds of people all muffled up together and very few masks. Aren't they bothered or are they stupid? Also showed some scenes in England protesting and police shoving the protesters back. None were wearing masks. It can't be easy having another lockdown but the problem is we all have to obey the rules if we want to beat this thing. Our numbers are always increasing but go down only to rise again. Seems like there are stupid people everywhere.

Covid apart from causing so many deaths has ruined life for everyone. Businesses failing , long awaited holidays ruined or cancelled, causing fears of going out and any excuse to go out for fear of forgetting your mask or moving away from anyone who has coughed or sneezed. The problem now is you get used to lockdown and staying in, you lose the inclination to go out and that's not good.

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It looks as if Wolverhampton are heading for major restrictions again.

 

I must say that when we were first on lockdown, but could go out for shopping/exercise etc. I was quite proud of the reactions of people we passed on our cycles, and there seemed to be a feeling of unity around and most people seemed to be in fairly good spirits about the situation. I got the feeling that it was because we were all pulling together, in such a dire situation.

BUT

In the last month or so, I have witnessed a complete u turn. It is shameful how so many people don't seem to give a toss now. Every where we go there seems to be a lack of interest, couldn't give a dam, no masks, groups just mingling, people entering shops with no intention of keeping to the distancing rules. I am not surprised that there is a second wave coming. There is still some care taken by the people we see most mornings thankfully, but the unthoughtful ones really out way the ones who are trying their best.

 

Last week, I genuinely forgot to put my mask on to go into our small Tesco Local. As I approached the tills, I realised and told the cashier what I had done! His reply was, Oh don't worry. No one bothers anyway! ................. Not much hope is there!

 

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I really feel for the hospitality industry but is it really necessary to go the pub? It seems to me from the press and published pictures there is an inverse ratio,  as alcohol consumption goes up, inhibitions come down and soon it's back to mingling with no thought of distancing.

We tried to carry on as near 'normal' as we could within the rules but quite frankly it's just not posible. So we are rapidly becoming hermits and as nonna noted, the less you go out the easier it becomes to just not bother. Soon we will be living life vicariously through our TV and computer screens with no physical interaction at all.

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Trouble is Brew, we, the ones who are obeying the rules and doing as we're told, we are the people who nowadays seem to be in the minority.

You toe the line and are looked on as being the oddball. Some folks must be on a death wish or couldn't care less.

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Us oddballs have to stick together little sis, (as long as we're 2m apart).

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Well if you really are oddball then it should be something like 2.05mtrs or absolute oddball at 6feet 8 and 3/4 inch

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Towd ya I were an oddball. Can't make head or tails of this IMGUR thingy.

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Re my post about 13,000 new cases in 24 hrs was in France not GB today there are 13,500. Just had our latest 1587 new cases and 7 deaths. There are 4 epicentres , fortunately we aren't one of them. We have voting today and tomorrow, we've decided to go tomorrow, less people ? I don't know but really don't fancy voting and having to queue.

 Keep up what you're doing  and keep,safe.

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Wow ..... Staggering statistics.

 

 

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Based on the above then, the solution is simple,

Round up everyone with a pre-existing condition, including those that have one and aren't aware of it, shoot them all and bury them then the remainder of the 67 million can get on with their lives without all the inconvenience which MAY be in place for the next 6 months or more.

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In theory yes. But first you will have to get the legislation through Parliament and even with a large majority there are bound to be some Tory softies who will vote against it as will the whole of the Labour benches.

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My son has just told me that 97% of deaths from Covid in the UK are of people aged OVER 90.  He says he got the info from the NHS website.  I’ve not looked but I can believe that fact. 

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I haven't gone into this issue much so I'm not trolling for an argument.  I am not saying the virus is a hoax or anything like that.  My own observation is that the mainstream media is going hysterical about it for whatever purpose.  Mrs. L watches the news every night, and is frightened by it.   I don't, I prefer to read a variety of online sources.  Each night all I hear is CV this and CV that.  The forecast was for 2 million to die in the US.  Recently we hit two hundred thousand.   Out of a population of 350 million.  That is tragic and I'm not trying to minimize it, but a bad 'flu season will do that and it is turning out that many died WITH CV rather than of it.  I have never, even once, heard them tell of folks who have survived it.  Neither have I heard mention of something like 1400 doctors in Belgium who are saying it is overblown.  Something is not adding up here.

I am of an age considered high risk, but I refuse to live my life being scared by the idiot box.  If it eventually gets me, too bad!  Summat will one day.  The seeming relish on the faces of the talking heads as they recount today's deaths is nauseating.

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There will be a lot of nonsense and quoting of 'facts' and figures depeneding of which flavour of media you prefer. Quoting from different sources, cherry picking numbers and taking things out of context all help to keep us confused and uncertain.

 

UK FACTS:

There are 423,000 infections - 42000 deaths   = 9% approx, skewed towards the weak and elderly. With the same number 423K  and a population of 67M, statistically the odds of contracing the disease is less than 1%.

On the basis of figures like these it all seems like we're worrying without good reason and the chances of catching Covid is miniscule, the odds of dying from it even less.

 

Until we consider the question 'what if'. What if we hadn't had lockdown, what if we didn't wear face coverings, what if we didn't keep our distance, what if we all said 'sod it' and went to the pub as usual? What would the figures look like then?

 

I sugest the measures he advocates abandoning are the reason why the odds are so low - long may they remain so.

 

To imply we should throw the elderly to the kerb smacks of the worst kind of totalitarianism. While they're at why not include those with mental health problems, physically disabled, immigrants, jobless, anyone with a criminal record, jews. blacks and asians...  Hitler did it, why can't we?

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44 minutes ago, loppylugs said:

1400 doctors in Belgium who are saying it is overblown.

 

You have a source for that LL? Sounds a bit like Fox news to me...

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There aren't any definite figures for the total but W.H.O. estimate there could be around 10 million doctors in the World.

The Belgium doctors don't represent much of a percentage of that.

That figure didn't come from W.H.O as they seem only to publish per Country.

 

There was however in 2019 over 301000 registered Doctors in the U.K

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/698278/registered-doctors-united-kingdom-uk-by-age/

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