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46 minutes ago, letsavagoo said:

I’m with RR on this. Define many Col as I don’t agree. Yes there are some deaths across all age groups and each is a tragedy.  I am not belittling the serious nature of this but the average age of death from the virus is 82. If your old, have health issues or are obese then you’re at risk. Take care. That is the individuals responsibility. No one else’s.

 

What a wonderful example of modern altruism.

 

I'll give you some stats and let you decide how many 'many' is.

Compared to 18 - 29yrs control group

30 - 39.  4 times more deaths

40 - 49.  10 times

50 - 64.  30 times

65 - 74.  90 times

75 - 84.  220 times

85+        630 times

These mean times more likely to die from a covid infection than those in the control group.

 

But of course you're right, if someone dies after being infected by don't know, don't care merchants it's their own damn fault, after all such people are easily indentified right?

 

You're not belittling things?... I rather think you are....

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@letsavagoo   The purpose of restrictions is not to stop the virus spreading at all - it’s to SLOW the spread.  If there were no restrictions, I think the hospitals wouldn’t be able to cope with the number of Covid admissions, let alone other emergencies and the treatment for many other conditions.

My husband’s hospital appointment to see about treatment for a blocked artery in his leg has been postponed twice this year already ...  

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ONLY 0.01% of the World’s population has died of Corona Virus.  Those people who’ve had the virus have mostly suffered from symptoms resembling the Flu.  It’s time to accept there’ll be a nasty virus lingering about for a long time and we should be permitted to just get on with our lives.  

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Your figure is a little out of date Lizzie. 0.01% is 700,000.  In round firgures well over a million have died and still rising even with all the control measures in place. Without control the figure is estimated to be at least double. One prediction puts the figure as high as 40.000.000

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths#what-is-the-total-number-of-confirmed-deaths

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My husbands hip operation has been cancelled again. In March 2 days before he was due to go in hospital. The other day he rang the hospital to ask when he was due to go in again ( as they had asked him to ring) the receptionist said they were going to ring that afternoon because he was on the list. No phone call so he rang again and they told him they were waiting for the go ahead to carry on with their  operations but for the time being they weren't taking any more phone calls. Meanwhile I received a message confirming my appointment for last injection into my hand. 

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It is certainly not altruism and I find that suggestion offensive. I think everyone has got the message. Mask, distance wash etc etc. If you’re vulnerable through illness, age, ethnicity, obesity then act responsibly. Go out as little as possible. Each individual must assess their situation and act appropriately. Risk significantly increases with age. For myself I am well over 60 and with a serious Health issue that puts me at high risk so you’re altruism accusation is invalid and wrong. I don’t know what the answer is but we seem to be on a merry go round. Lock down cases fall. Relax it cases rise. I try to consider and balance lockdowns with the cost of job losses, mental well-being, damage to the economy that will impact for decades. The cancelling of treatment for other serious illness and the deaths that loss and lack of treatment has caused. 

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I find that dying from Covid-19 because some idiots can't go without pouring ale down their neck offensive.

I find the implied suggestion that because the the most dangerous age is 80+  ( but the average age of death from the virus is 82.), therefore it wont matter if they die, offensive.

I find your suggestion that we have no resposibility or moral obligation toward our fellow man offensive.

I find the idea of the NHS being overwhelmed because we took the brakes off just so some can go get sunburned, offensive

 

You're concerned about cancelled hospital appointments? How will letting Covid run amok and swamp the NHS help?

 

You are spot on - it was nothing like altruism

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altruism

 

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8 hours ago, letsavagoo said:

That is the individuals responsibility. No one else’s.

 

Sorry but this is just wrong.

Everyone is responsible for doing whatever they can to minimise spread of the virus, but sadly there is a small but significant minority who don't see why they should have their lives limited and just want to carry on as normal.  There is another group who view all restrictions as a personal affront and something to be sidestepped wherever possible.  Acting like schoolkids... except schoolkids these days are generally more caring.

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Warning!  Pinkfishmedia Content!

 

The link should take you to a well reasoned advocacy of short 'full' lockdowns.. AKA  'Circuit Breakers', posted by a chap on Pinkfishmedia who seems to know his 'stats'.

 

http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/temp/CovidComment.pdf

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Pre COVID.

The Office for National Statistics puts UK life expectancy at 79.2 years for men and 82.9 years for women. This doesn't necessarily mean that all of us can expect to reach those ages, since the estimates are based on the age a baby would reach if they were born today.

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1 minute ago, letsavagoo said:

Pre COVID.

The Office for National Statistics puts UK life expectancy at 79.2 years for men and 82.9 years for women. This doesn't necessarily mean that all of us can expect to reach those ages, since the estimates are based on the age a baby would reach if they were born today.

 

And your point? I'm not following...

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Sadly we are inevitably all going to die. It seems that the average age of death from COVID exceeds normal life expectancy. I’m not saying or implying it doesn’t matter, just if you’re in the danger group for whatever reason then act accordingly. If you’re not in a ‘danger group’ then be responsible. If you’re not responsible you are at risk but it is for the individual to take responsibility. Possible contradicting myself, I find myself agreeing with Col’s statement above. 

44 minutes ago, DJ360 said:

 

Sorry but this is just wrong.

Everyone is responsible for doing whatever they can to minimise spread of the virus, but sadly there is a small but significant minority who don't see why they should have their lives limited and just want to carry on as normal.  There is another group who view all restrictions as a personal affront and something to be sidestepped wherever possible.  Acting like schoolkids... except schoolkids these days are generally more caring.

 

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Of course we act accordingly but it will be of no use if others have no concern and wish to carry on as per usual. Covid is turning out to be as divisive as Brexit

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And sadly, for the same reasons..

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I saw on the news that several supermarkets in Wales have covered up ‘non essential’ items on they’re shelves. Duvets for one and my wife noted that children’s coats were under the polythene. Is this necessary. Winter approaching. Talk radio stoked the fire with the observation that Champaign was still available. 

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They're trying to protect the non essential shops that have been forced to close but like so many of the rules they are ill thought out and often ambiguous. Fortunately there is still Amazon to deliver to the door. I did have to go out yesterday though to buy greenhouse glass. That's something they won't deliver!

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I think that’s correct Phil. As you say, not thought through properly if at all.  Typo in my previous post. ‘Their’ not they’re. Too late to edit.

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19,664 new cases and 151 deaths which is higher than it was in March. They are our results but tonight theres a new DCPM which probably will be out tomorrow. . restaurants and bars have to close at 6 pm, gyms and beauty parlours closed as well as cinemas etc. Shopping centres are closed at weekends starting today. Theyve been trying to avoid this type of lockdown. Im watching the news now and its just shown the hospital where I go. Theres not a soul in there, the giornalist was dressed up in protective clothes to interview the primario who showed him round a ward that was fitted out for virus cases. He interviewed one man who said he was fine but found it hard to breathe.

Keep safe everyone.

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Reports that 'A small number of staff have tested positive' at the village Medical Practice.  This is so far the closest that I'm aware of the bug getting to us.  I stopped going there a couple of years ago because it became poorly run and impossible to get to see my named GP, who was also the resident Cardio specialist and the best Doc in there.

But.. I still use the Pharmacy which is adjacent....  :Shock:

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Maybe, if they do not find a vaccine for this virus, you best get used to not living as long, enjoy yourselves it later than you think, it's no fun in staying in. 

vampire2

Good news you can now fly to the Canary Islands, first week of January 2021 please.

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radfordred

Book me on that flight  please lets all get away from it and start living again 

 ps you could arrange for a meet up in the Canarys for members.

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At least..make an effort to support your 

Point, with evidence, Radford Red. Lazy soundbites are...well...

 

 

 

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A comment about ops being cancelled. Yes it's hard when you see someone suffering but I'm glad that both times my husbands ops have been cancelled because I would hate him to come home after, infected with this virus. The hospitals, wherever they are are doing what they think is correct and safe.

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To people who complain about about restrictions caused by the tier system try living where I am. One side of the village is tier one other side is tier two and one side has pub's and shops other side nothing I leave you to decide which side I live on.

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