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On 6/9/2021 at 7:29 PM, Cliff Ton said:

I've looked at it a bit more, and I'm now pretty certain it isn't Canning Circus. The roof line on Derby Road doesn't match.

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Looking at old OS maps, the block of buildings from the middle of the modern photo back to the rear of the white van seem to have been rebuilt sometime in the 1880s or 1890s. Previously all looked (in plan) like the 2 shops still existing just beyond the white van, which look very similar to those in the original image. Maybe when the other side of the road was remodelled, someone decided to build more impressive buildings?

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I agree it's possible.

 

I think the other problem is the building on this side of the road - "house agents". I can't make that match the front corner of the Ben Bowers building; especially with the steel railing along the side.

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I wonder if the Ben Bowers building projected further into the Circus than what was there before. Comparing the 1874 photo with the position of Upper Talbot St on later maps, I suggest this is possible. UTS seems to come in at more of a right angle on the photo than in later times. Maybe the whole area was redeveloped to some degree, including the angle of Upper Talbot St?

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Surely, I would have thought Notty Ash's old picture would have clinched it. Well done N.A. Got me convinced.

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13 hours ago, notty ash said:

What we need is a map from the 1870s, or thereabouts!

 

The problem is that the big change happened in 1877, and the detailed online maps don't go back beyond the 1870s. This is 1840s and might be the best you'll see for what the area looked like pre-Ben Bowers. Sion Hill is Canning Circus.

 

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Here's a very rough overlay, later map in blue. Challenging, because a lot had changed and the accuracy of the earlier map may not be quite as good as the OS map. It suggests that the Ben Bowers building did extend slightly further up the road than previous buildings, maybe where the various gradients levelled out? Also possibly at a slightly diffferent angle to Derby Road. Not sure if this helps or hinders the issue?

 

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It’s been solved; not by me, but by a third party on another site.

 

It isn’t Nottingham; it’s the South-East London suburb of Anerley, which I’d never even heard of. All the buildings in the original photo are still there and basically unchanged…including the terrace on the right; the building on the left (which isn’t quite as small as it first appears); even the old metal railings have survived….and some very distinctive stone carving on the corners.

 

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I know we all like a puzzle but this collaborative detective work is amazing!

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