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On 6/9/2021 at 7:29 PM, Cliff Ton said:

I've looked at it a bit more, and I'm now pretty certain it isn't Canning Circus. The roof line on Derby Road doesn't match.


Looking at old OS maps, the block of buildings from the middle of the modern photo back to the rear of the white van seem to have been rebuilt sometime in the 1880s or 1890s. Previously all looked (in plan) like the 2 shops still existing just beyond the white van, which look very similar to those in the original image. Maybe when the other side of the road was remodelled, someone decided to build more impressive buildings?

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I wonder if the Ben Bowers building projected further into the Circus than what was there before. Comparing the 1874 photo with the position of Upper Talbot St on later maps, I suggest this is possible. UTS seems to come in at more of a right angle on the photo than in later times. Maybe the whole area was redeveloped to some degree, including the angle of Upper Talbot St?

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13 hours ago, notty ash said:

What we need is a map from the 1870s, or thereabouts!


The problem is that the big change happened in 1877, and the detailed online maps don't go back beyond the 1870s. This is 1840s and might be the best you'll see for what the area looked like pre-Ben Bowers. Sion Hill is Canning Circus.



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Here's a very rough overlay, later map in blue. Challenging, because a lot had changed and the accuracy of the earlier map may not be quite as good as the OS map. It suggests that the Ben Bowers building did extend slightly further up the road than previous buildings, maybe where the various gradients levelled out? Also possibly at a slightly diffferent angle to Derby Road. Not sure if this helps or hinders the issue?



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