MRS B 68 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I tell you what really annoys me when you go out for a meal and the waitress/waiter (serving person I guess, to be pc) says”Are you ready to order GUYS?” I really feel like saying “have you not noticed I’m female? Aghhhh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 9,515 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 I've noticed that as well but I think it may be one of those cases where language evolves over time - Guys has now become a word to address any group of people, regardless of whether they are male or female. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 4,949 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 42 minutes ago, MRS B said: “have you not noticed I’m female? In this day and age it's best not to assume! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MRS B 68 Posted April 6 Report Share Posted April 6 Brew annoying though, I never assume, it’s always dangerous. I’m an evaluator of all situations and possible outcomes. Maybe comes from being in a planning environment for an airline for 30+ years where anything is possible. Mrs B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,140 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 9 hours ago, Jill Sparrow said: Duck is still very common in Derbyshire, as is nesh, tabs and a host of other sayings ascribed to Nottinghamshire. One that isn't, is smockravelled, meaning confused or bewildered. I confess, I do like that one and use it frequently. Reminds me of 'Cross-Chockled', which as far as I can determine..has similar meaning, but derives from St Helens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,140 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 5 hours ago, MRS B said: I tell you what really annoys me when you go out for a meal and the waitress/waiter (serving person I guess, to be pc) says”Are you ready to order GUYS?” I really feel like saying “have you not noticed I’m female? Aghhhh It's just an example of developing 'usage'. 'Guys' is now used as a term of address to a mixed group. I'm not taking sides on this, but I do think that mostly it is used as a more familiar and friendly term, as opposed to lazy or disrespectful. Personally, I'd use 'Ladies and Gentlemen', because it would sit better with my own age, and I'd use a mildly ironic inflection, gently mocking both myself and the 'punters'. But then I've always had a weird sense of humour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
letsavagoo 761 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 I gave some talks to several local history societies in recent years and it was suggested that I avoid using the term ‘ladies and gentlemen’ as gender assumption is a can of worms. As my audience were general older people I didn’t perceive a problem but it was given when at a ‘council’ venue and I complied. The term ‘duck’ was very common in the Radford of my youth but with the young now it seems absent. Referring to friends as ‘fam’ is common where my grandson lives in Eastwood and elsewhere I suspect. An older woman in Birds at Eastwood always serves by asking ‘now then my duck’ never ‘me duck’. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 3,672 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Never heard of 'fam', utterly another irritating phrase is the Mid-atlantic term 'Bro'. Why do people not speak English anymore? There's an announcer on BBC2 who never uses 'th' , he refers to programs coming on in firty minutes, or fought and fink. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 5,000 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Like it or not we have to accept that our language is continually evolving. We don’t all have to go along with the flow though. Some of us like to maintain the standards of ‘received pronunciation’. Dost thou not agree? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 9,247 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Indubitably! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,086 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 On 11/6/2015 at 8:39 AM, carni said: Ayupmeduck On 11/6/2015 at 11:17 AM, broxtowelad said: Eyupmeduck Is it Ayup or Eyup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 5,000 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 It’s Ey up but sometimes spelt Ay up. Derives from ancient Nordic language apparently so it’s quite alright to be used in polite company! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 4,949 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Nah, maybe the posh version where yo is, its Ey. But proper folk say Ayup like wot I do... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 5,000 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 How does the Queen say it then? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 4,949 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Don't know, I'll ask her next time she nips round to borrow a cup of sugar.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 3,672 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 She would to pronounce her aitch, as in Hay-up, what do you do? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MRS B 68 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 My father was an absolute stickler for spoken English and used to criticise news readers on telly all the time. Apart from Angela Rippon and Moira Stuart who both had beautiful speaking voices and were his favourites. Being a McDonald his favourite gripe was calling folks north of the border Scotch not Scots. That doesn’t stop me though using Notts lingo being born and bred in the county. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
carni 10,031 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 4 hours ago, Brew said: But proper folk say Ayup like wot I do... Ayup Brew, You can be in my gang Miduck. Cos I'm posh Annawl. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
siddha 751 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 5 hours ago, philmayfield said: How does the Queen say it then? If you wish to sound like Liz then substitute a sounds with e sounds. It ectually works!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 4,949 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Sounds like it would be e reel pein in the erse... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 5,000 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 If the Queen can't talk proppa whose example are we supposed to follow? Danny Dyer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 3,672 Posted April 7 Report Share Posted April 7 Or anybody from "Eastenders". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mary1947 1,716 Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 Nottingham words We tend to ask for a sucker when we should say ice lolli, and yet when we lived over in South Africa they also called them Sucker's. What they did not like though, went into a green grocer's and ask for half a pound of nobby greens, of cause they did not know what they were. If you do over to Germany never ever ask for "Mushy Peas" it is a very rude word, little story Went over to my brother's who ives in Germany for the "IRISH FOLK FESTIVAL" which is in Aug and what was for you to eat!!! yes Fish n'Chips with Mushy Peas!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
colly0410 1,170 Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 When I worked at QMC we were told to never call anyone "duck" as in "would you like a cup of tea me duck?" Can't remember anyone taking any notice though & no one ever complained to gaffers AFAIK..... When on an underground visit to the National Mining Museum near Wakefield my wife called me duck & the guide took the micky out of us. Mind you he took the mickey out of me big time when he learn't I was on the underground loco's down Hucknall pit: he kept shining his light at me & asking if I was still awake? The cheeky so-&-so... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
letsavagoo 761 Posted April 9 Report Share Posted April 9 I’m not 100% but aren’t males sometimes referred to as ‘love’ in Yorkshire. By other males that is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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