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15 hours ago, DJ360 said:

He clearly is neither a terrorist sympathiser, nor an anti semite.  He is also not a serial liar and fornicator like Johnson

 

In politics Col nothing is clear!

I have no idea if the thrice married Corbyn is or was a fornicator. (you've used the word before but it simply means people having sex)

 

The evidence of his past associations with known terrorists is well documented and seems to me that on the balance of probability he is sympathetic to their causes.

 

I'll combine two here because it seems a bit 'off' to me.

I said before we can only know what is in the public domain. However it cannot be denied that people of high office within the party have resigned over the issue of anti-Semitism. He has denied it (he can hardly admit it), but again on the balance of probability...  He once said in an interview peers should not be appointed to the Lords and the upper house to be an elected body. Later he nominated Shami Chakrabati to receive a peerage. A campaigner who just happened to be writing a report; on anti-Semitism in the Labour party. Maybe I'm just being cynical.

 

Does he tell lies?

The train journey where Corbyn claimed the carriage he was in was “ram-packed.” and he had to sit on the floor.

As luck would have it and by sheer coincidence there happened to be a camera crew handy to film his predicament and make a political video about the issues with the privatised railways. Except the train CCTV filmed him walking past row upon row of empty seats before sitting on the floor. He sat in a seat for the remainder of the journey after making the film. The waffling and excuses that followed were laughable.

 

He claimed Labour membership had risen to 540,000, the most it's ever been. Except it was once over a million.

 

In an interview with the left wing red pepper magazine he boasted he had 'never had any higher education’. North London Polytech doesn't count then?

 

And finally I've said before about his claim of supporting the Good Friday agreement, he actually made a speech in Parliament against it. 

 

Corbyn is career politician half-truths; spin and obfuscation are his stock in trade. Does he tell lies? - You tell me.

 

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HSR: Col is given a 'free rein to spout his opinions' for exactly the reasons you are, only he does so with more civility.   Recently there have been a couple of attacks on the validity of t

True enough but none quite so 'in your face' or as blatant. To paraphrase Mone "I didn't lie to hide the the fact we're making £60 million and hiding it in a trust, it was to to protect my family

Why do you feel the need to influence others? What is your motivation for so doing? Is it because you think you know better than they? Is it because it feeds your ego if and when you succeed?  Is it b

9 hours ago, Brew said:

In politics Col nothing is clear!

 

That's true Brew.  There are a number of posts from your good self and others which I'd like to respond to with my 'Two Penn'orth' later. 

 

However, at present I am in the latter stages of preparing myself for the delights of a 'Virtual Colonoscopy' ..scheduled for 2:30 today.  I can reveal that this means I've eaten nothing for almost 24 hours and it will be more like 27 hours before I do... so I'm not exactly on top form.  Those who have also shared the delights of a Colonoscopy will not need me to remind them of the other aspects of 'preparation'.  Those who haven't really don't need to know..  :wacko:

 

Either way.. any accusation from certain quarters that I am 'full of s**t'.. is definitely untrue... if only temporarily  :laugh:

 

I shall return...

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I know the feeling  I am sure they speed the clocks up after my teenage years I suddenly woke up one morning as an old man   You dont get very long at this life game   I tell all youngsters what ever you wish to do get on with it  Your life goes so quick  meeowed

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2 hours ago, meeowed said:

I wonder if its worth signing up with 72 virgins on offer a fella has got to keep all his options open  meeowed

 

Be very careful what you wish for meowed, it doesn't specify if they are male or female …

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19 hours ago, Cliff Ton said:

 

I’ll stick with what I know and think.

 

 But it's done just that... made you think and not simply accept the garbage we are bombarded with. It may not change your views but looking at things from a different perspective can give you a new insight and may even reinforce your opinion.

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2 hours ago, DJ360 said:

Those who have also shared the delights of a Colonoscopy will not need me to remind them of the other aspects of 'preparation'.  Those who haven't really don't need to know..  :wacko:

 

Three since last August for me DJ.? :crazy: All the best for this afternoon, Will be awaiting your report later.:)

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49 minutes ago, Brew said:

made you think and not simply accept the garbage we are bombarded with. It may not change your views but looking at things from a different perspective can give you a new insight and may even reinforce your opinion.

 

I agree. My problem is that I'm very uncommitted politically. I can see good and bad in both sides of most arguments.

 

I totally can't understand people who say "I always vote Labour, or I always vote Conservative". That to me is the worst kind of non-thinking. 

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2 hours ago, Gem said:

Jill   your post regarding finding 27 virgins made me laugh but I then read the comment made by RR and that was not funny and the sad part it is so true.

Oooops should read 72  finding 27 would be hard enough, good luck with that one.

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Your number may well be correct Gem.

They are called Houris and there is no specific number mentioned, but their physical description is quite graphic depending which version you read.

The figure 72 came along much later (around the 1500's) but it doesn't say they are all for one man. That's either a misconception or wishful thinking   ;)

 

Incidentally the same passages claim that the inhabitants of hell are mostly women!

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21 hours ago, MargieH said:

On a lighter note, the main thing I see I see in my mirror is an old lady (don't know where she came from) who needs a new birthday suit for Christmas :Shock:

 

Tell me when you're going for a fitting Margie and we will have a meeting to end all meetings!      yada

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52 minutes ago, meeowed said:

i bet jill sparrow has gone to fetch the frying pan   look at this lump on my head  meeowed

Not at all, meeowed. You must be mixing me up with my paternal grandmother, Kate Sparrow. She would certainly have clocked you with the frying pan! Or anyone else for that matter!

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1 hour ago, Brew said:

 

Tell me when you're going for a fitting Margie and we will have a meeting to end all meetings!      yada

I'd  definitely  pay to see that !

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Greetings!!.  Glad to say I survived the colonoscopy with my innards and most of my dignity intact.  I have to say that I've had  number of tests recently and not only have the techniques improved so as to be less uncomfortable etc.. but the staff in my local hospital are exceptionally polite, re-assuring and caring. No waiting. Everything explained in advance..opportunity to ask questions etc..  Five Stars.

 

Right.. back to the fray..... :aggressive:

 

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22 hours ago, Brew said:

I have no idea if the thrice married Corbyn is or was a fornicator. (you've used the word before but it simply means people having sex)

 

He's been married three times.  Johnson is known to have had many many affairs, which in itself is not something I get all moralistic about.. but these have occurred whist he has been married and in the case of Ms Accuri, whilst he was in public office and sorting out Govt. cash for her.

 

22 hours ago, Brew said:

The evidence of his past associations with known terrorists is well documented and seems to me that on the balance of probability he is sympathetic to their causes.

 

My first response to that is to say that sympathy for causes does not imply sympathy for methods.   I'd like to see a united Ireland as I believe it is the logical long term outcome once the artificiality created by English domination centuries ago can be resolved.  I would not like it to be sorted out by violent methods though and I'm certain Corbyn feels the same.

 

 As you well know, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Corbyn has repeatedly condemned all violence, but he has also recognised that terrorism/armed struggle or whatever you wish to label it,  often results from genuine grievances.  If you think about that.. Corbyn's stance can be interpreted as rather more mature than the UK Govt. response of simply trying to use armed forces to suppress the tip of an iceberg. Corbyn, in common with the British Government, met with Sinn Fein and others long before the Good Friday Agreement in order to seek ways forward in terms of ending conflict.  As for Hamas etc.. I don't believe they ever directly targeted the UK or UK interests, but Corbyn recognised their grievance against the Israeli Govt. as do I.  I'm certain it's this stance by Corbyn which has led certain groups which 'claim' to represent British Jews, (though other British Jewish groups would disagree)

to attack Corbyn.

 

22 hours ago, Brew said:

Does he tell lies?

The train journey where Corbyn claimed the carriage he was in was “ram-packed.” and he had to sit on the floor.

As luck would have it and by sheer coincidence there happened to be a camera crew handy to film his predicament and make a political video about the issues with the privatised railways. Except the train CCTV filmed him walking past row upon row of empty seats before sitting on the floor. He sat in a seat for the remainder of the journey after making the film. The waffling and excuses that followed were laughable.

 

I can't comment.. having seen none of this stuff.

 

22 hours ago, Brew said:

He claimed Labour membership had risen to 540,000, the most it's ever been. Except it was once over a million.

 

Yes.. it's true that Labour apparently had over a million in the immediate post war period. though counting methods in all parties seem to have been a bit 'iffy' back then.  Either way.. its true that the figure he quoted was the highest for a long time and that was really, I think, the point... especially against a collapsing Tory membership.  Also, it was not a lie about the economy, or employment etc.

 

22 hours ago, Brew said:

In an interview with the left wing red pepper magazine he boasted he had 'never had any higher education’. North London Polytech doesn't count then?

 

'Boasted' ?  Really?.. or just 'said'?   Any way, it's true he attended North London Poly.. but it doesn't automatically follow that the course he pursued was a HE course.  Info is sketchy.

 

From Wiki :

 

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Corbyn began a course in Trade Union Studies at North London Polytechnic but left after a year without a degree after a series of arguments with his tutors over the curriculum.[30

 

 

It says he left without a degree.. but doesn't make clear whether the course he was on was a degree course or something leading to...

 

22 hours ago, Brew said:

And finally I've said before about his claim of supporting the Good Friday Agreement, he actually made a speech in Parliament against it. 

 

 

Actually, he didn't.

 

Again from Wiki:

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He voted against the 1985 Anglo-Irish Agreement, saying "We believe that the agreement strengthens rather than weakens the border between the six and the 26 counties, and those of us who wish to see a United Ireland oppose the agreement for that reason."[86]

In 1994, Corbyn signed a Commons motion condemning the 1974 Birmingham pub bombings, which killed 21 people.[82]

In 1998, he supported and voted for the Good Friday Agreement, saying he looked forward to "peace, hope and reconciliation in Ireland in the future."[64]

 

 

I'd say that last Wiki quote paints a picture of Corbyn which is far closer to the one he consistently and unswervingly delivers as Leader of the Opposition, than the 'Bomb Throwing Terrorist Sympathiser' he is falsely portrayed as in the press.

 

For me.. Corbyn has two major failings. 

1.  He is far too honest ever to make a leader of a nation which favours bullshit over honesty. 

2. He is so fundamentally human that he tries far too hard to please all of the people all of the time.

 

In this context.. it's also worth remembering that people change over time.  Youthful rebellion changes to more circumspect methods, whilst the fundamental objective stays the same.

 

But. Whatever his failings, I'd take Corbyn over a dozen Johnsons and I also never forget that he is the temporary leader of the party whose principles, policies and objectives remain closer to mine than any other party.

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