Cliff Ton 10,435 Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Oztalgian said: 1 Atheist, 1 Methodist, 1 Anglican, 1 Pentecostal, 2 Agnostics, 3 Catholics As someone who is extremely non-religious (not anti-religious) I find that statement fascinating and baffling. Those distinctions mean absolutely nothing to me; I wouldn't know any difference between an Anglican and a Pentecostal etc etc. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Wouldn't it be funny if they didn't mean anything to 'God' either? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,094 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 They probably don't Jill.x 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha 176 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I’m not sure if this is the right thread but I’m just following the current trend. It would be my suggestion that religious dogmatism has been forced upon the populations throughout history in a form of relentless brainwashing; through the Sunday schools, compulsory reading of religious texts in school assemblies, HM Forces compulsory attendance for church parades, daily media i.e., Radio 4’s ‘Thoughts for Today’ and the Radio 4 long wave, ‘Daily Prayer’ and in churches world-wide. This example of continuous religious bombardment is endless. So rigidly assumed by the self-proclaimed emissaries of whatever god, represented at the time, that we are all supposed to believe in the lord who resides, bearded and white robed, in the fluffy cumulous above, 'in his heaven', looking down with a scowling countenance upon the sinful disbelievers below, and hell awaits those who challenged these myths, is something beyond the tiresome. Looks like its hell for me! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Milton has some very interesting ideas on the subject! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,378 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Oztalgian said: The last census identified the Australian population as No Religion 30%, Catholic 23%, Anglican 13%, Pentecostal 1%. What about the missing 33%...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,424 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I would guess 'Agnostic' gnostic is the Greek word for to know, putting an A ahead of it makes it a negative. Thus the agnostic is not necessarily irreligious. He/she just believes one cannot know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,378 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 What a huge topic this could turn into! Religion is easily the most complex subject discussed by ordinary people. It's extraordinary how, without any demonstrable evidence, participants are so convinced they are willing to lay down their lives for an abstract concept. Religion ranges from the strictest of fundamentalist and zealots to the free love churches of the 70's and letting it all 'hang out'. In the middle are the mainstream who conveniently cherry pick those parts of the scriptures they can live with and turn a blind eye to those bits they can't or find uncomfortable. In some ways I'm quite envious. As someone with a phobia about end of life etc. it must a huge comfort to be absolutely certain there is more. That in some strange unexplained way we retain consciousness and awareness. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,424 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I'm with you Brew, and I'm what some would call a "fundamentalist' . Unfortunately that word has come to have such negative connotations. Mostly from the actions of some who use the term whether Islamic, or Westboro Baptist. In it's original use back in the twenties, I believe, it was simply a term meant to describe one who was not a religious liberal, but believes in a literal understanding of their faith. Unfortunately it seems to be almost impossible for some to discuss it without accusations of proseletization and 'ramming your religion down my throat' accusations. Bit like politics. Thus wisdom dictates that those of us who hold to such belief tend not to say much about it on a public forum such as this. I am more than willing to talk privately, but even then, only if the other party wants to. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 23 minutes ago, Brew said: As someone with a phobia about end of life etc Did you have a phobia about being born? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,094 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 45 minutes ago, Brew said: What about the missing 33%...? They're all down the pub drinking Fosters. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,378 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 What a strange question. I have no knowledge or awareness of time before my birth and as far as I know it would be difficult to be phobic about a past event. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 That's the answer I expected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,378 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I'm obviously being a bit thick today, I've completely lost the plot here... it must be me age... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,424 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 Don't feel bad, Brew. I forgot to turn the dishwasher on last night. Only discovered it at 10 pm. I thought I was going to end up spending the night in the doghouse, with the lawnmover. Dogs were inside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,435 Posted April 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, loppylugs said: Don't feel bad, Brew. I forgot to turn the dishwasher on last night. Only discovered it at 10 pm. ............. Dogs were inside. When I first read that, I thought you were telling us the dogs were inside the dishwasher. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,594 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 I thought that as well! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
loppylugs 8,424 Posted April 19, 2020 Report Share Posted April 19, 2020 No, they only try to clean the plates before the dishwasher is run. Jake even knows how to pull the door down. We have to keep it fully closed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,218 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Beekay said: 11 hours ago, Brew said: What about the missing 33%...? They're all down the pub drinking Fosters. First point of explanation. No self respecting Australian drinks Fosters, you can't find it in many pubs here. Second point. The other religions all other groups e.g. Islam, Hindu, Buddhist, etc. but many recorded Jedi which was ignored by the census agency as not deemed relevant. Mostly people taking the pi$$? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 13 hours ago, Alpha said: I’m not sure if this is the right thread but I’m just following the current trend. It would be my suggestion that religious dogmatism has been forced upon the populations throughout history in a form of relentless brainwashing; through the Sunday schools, compulsory reading of religious texts in school assemblies, HM Forces compulsory attendance for church parades, daily media i.e., Radio 4’s ‘Thoughts for Today’ and the Radio 4 long wave, ‘Daily Prayer’ and in churches world-wide. This example of continuous religious bombardment is endless. So rigidly assumed by the self-proclaimed emissaries of whatever god, represented at the time, that we are all supposed to believe in the lord who resides, bearded and white robed, in the fluffy cumulous above, 'in his heaven', looking down with a scowling countenance upon the sinful disbelievers below, and hell awaits those who challenged these myths, is something beyond the tiresome. Looks like its hell for me! I find myself in unnaccustomed agreement with you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 Interesting to see that Roman Catholicism has lost its long held stranglehold in Australia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,089 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 As my Catholic second cousin in Perth was told when applying for a post at an Anglican school. ‘One can of beans is very much like any other can of beans!’. She’s a school psychologist, available for consultation with staff and pupils alike. We never had one of those in my day! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha 176 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 7 hours ago, DJ360 said: I find myself in unnaccustomed agreement with you. Now that's a pleasant change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,089 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 Alpha’s summary of religion is bang on. It’s original purpose was to put the fear of god onto the population so that they could be more easily controlled. This has carried over today with some of the more intense religions. The others are just cosy little clubs where mainly nice, kind people can come together to act out their harmless rituals which give them comfort. Quite harmless really and they should be left alone. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 And we all know what happens if you eat too many cans of beans! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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