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Why do you feel the need to influence others? What is your motivation for so doing? Is it because you think you know better than they? Is it because it feeds your ego if and when you succeed?  Is it b

HSR: Col is given a 'free rein to spout his opinions' for exactly the reasons you are, only he does so with more civility.   Recently there have been a couple of attacks on the validity of t

True enough but none quite so 'in your face' or as blatant. To paraphrase Mone "I didn't lie to hide the the fact we're making £60 million and hiding it in a trust, it was to to protect my family

35 minutes ago, woody said:

Hope it is the death knell of the gravy train for the overpaid band of mediocre presenters and so called stars they shell out millions on.

 

And you seriously think selling it off will change that? Once they become a commercial enterprise, with no statutory budget restrictions, I'm confident it will do just the opposite.

Once big money flows in from the likes of Murdoch, Trump Media and other American TV, do you really believe it will retain its impartiality and independence?

 

Maybe you're looking forward to 18 minutes per hour of adverts. (channel 4, ITV etc, are allowed 7 mins max)

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Your forecast is far more preferable than the absolute woke nonsense churned out by the BBC at present. The BBC have had it too good for too long. When they have to compete in the real world they will soon find out how good they think they are 

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Police Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill. 

 

In the Lords today -

 

I'm amazed to learn that the government consider it necessary to create a new law which requires police officers to tell the truth in a public inquiry - really?

 

In the same bill they want police officers to have the power to stop and search you and your car, 'if they suspect', you are planning a crime! Not, mark you reasonable grounds, possessing evidence, or acting on reliable information, no, just a suspicion will be enough.

The move to the thought police must be closer than we think.

 

 

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9 hours ago, catfan said:

Your forecast is far more preferable than the absolute woke nonsense churned out by the BBC at present.

 

I'm surprised you think that CF. Objecting, as Woody does, to the outrageous salaries the BBC pay to football pundits and people like Jonathon Ross, Chris Evans etc., I can understand.

But to criticise the BBC for excessive wokeism when the adverts and proramme content on the commercial channels are suddenly flooded with woke content, that i didn't expect

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Your example Brew is the very reason I don't watch TV, my TV is used for watching DVDs only.

You are quite right about obscene salaries & the endless TV ads , woke or otherwise.

My license fee here is £7.50 rr year & I have serious reservations about paying that, only reason o do is that Mrs C may want to watch something on the box and she puts it

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I'm strangely feeling sorry for owd Boris, he's clearly very sorry for the events that should have never happened, he achieved an 80 seat majority & got Brexit sorted, delivered a world leading vaccine rollout & led us through the pandemic, Boris I doff my cap  :ph34r:

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I actually thought the opposite. He was  blustering and often hesitant before managing to divert and try to score brownie points with totally unrelated facts when Starmer challenged him.

 

Starmer the passionless, after accusing Boris of having a lawyer write for him took great care, he is himself a QC, to ask a very carefully crafted question. No doubt he's well aware of the photo's circulating of him  swilling beer with his mates. I suspect he well knows they may yet come back to bite him in the 'arris.

 

Basically, if, as he says, he did nothing wrong, why is Boris under the cosh for the same thing? Perhaps Boris drinking wine with canapés and Starmer drinking beer with a sarnie makes a difference?

 

Will Boris fall? A good few in Westminster have put their jobs on the line thinking as much but personally, I wouldn't count him out just yet.

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It's all a bit melodramatic, isn't it?  "In the name of God, go!"

 

Is this bloke a Minister or an Exorcist? Bell, book and candle?  Perhaps they were actually quaffing Holy Water at the predictably named 'Partygate'. It annoys me intensely that every petty scandal on which the press deems it fit to waste ink has the word 'gate' appended to it!  

 

As to the Barnet, a recent photo of the present incumbent looking rather windswept revealed what appear to be significant glabrous patches under the artfully arranged thatch. Alopecia?  Even his follicles appear to have lost interest. I know how they feel.

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Wonder what he’d look like with a grade 1 all over?   I quite like that look on a man ( but I might make an exception in his case)

It’s not his physical appearance that worries me anyway - it’s his personality that makes me not like him very much.  

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You are far too forgiving Margie.  The bloke is a congenital liar and egotist.  He really struggles to understand why people criticise him and fail to recognise his obvious genius.  He is a very, very flawed and thoroughly untrustworthy man.

 

8 hours ago, radfordred said:

I'm strangely feeling sorry for owd Boris, he's clearly very sorry for the events that should have never happened, he achieved an 80 seat majority & got Brexit sorted, delivered a world leading vaccine rollout & led us through the pandemic, Boris I doff my cap  

 

Once again I'm not quite sure if you are serious or on a 'wind up'.

 

Boris has never been sorry in his life, except when he's been caught out.

 

Boris did not 'achieve' an 80 seat majority. He simply stepped into it by pushng on an open door marked 'Brexit'.

 

Boris did not 'get Brexit sorted'.  Like everything else, he has just ignored the bad bits..of which there are many.  We are all still waiting for the good bits... Don't hold your breath...

 

Boris did not 'lead' the vaccine roll out...  that was the NHS.

 

Boris did not 'lead us through the pandemic'.  He was dragged, kicking and screaming..into acting..mostly too little and too late.

 

..And now.. in order to save his own skin by placating the far right of a far right party, he is scrapping virtually all Covid restrictions..against scientific advice.

 

He is a disaster for this country,  our   economy, our World standing and our Democracy.

 

Sadly, if he goes he will be replaced by a less accident prone but equally far right and dangerous individual.

 

Until the electorate of this country wake up to what is happening quietly behind 'partygate'..we are still screwed.

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On 1/17/2022 at 3:17 PM, catfan said:

Your forecast is far more preferable than the absolute woke nonsense churned out by the BBC at present. The BBC have had it too good for too long. When they have to compete in the real world they will soon find out how good they think they are 

 

BBC is not beyond criticism, but yours betrays your usual very narrow prejudices.

 

BBC is socially and culturally liberal in outlook,as you would expect from an organisation which is not completely subservient to political or commercial 'masters'.

Tories hate the BBC, for numerous reasons..not least that it is a very successful broadcaster which they see, just as they see everything...as a potential 'cash cow'..if only they could sell it off to themselves.  Surely you must see that as the basic Tory M.O. by now?

 

I've een critical of the BBC for 'Tory Bias' and I stand by that, but only in their political coverage.

And that is already changing, as they recognise that their future depends on getting shot of this evil, corrupt Govt.

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Sounds like I touched s nerve.

When was the BBC Tory biased.

Far too woke in replacing white faces with black faces.

I wouldn't mind if the best candidate got the job but they didn't.

The BBC woke bias is obvious to a blind man.

I would love to see how long the BBC survive standing on their own two feet.

Wokeism is destroying this country.

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I hope Boris has sent a thank you card to Jeremy Corbyn whilst he fights for survival.

If JC hadn't screwed up the Labour Party with his brainless left wing cronies they might have been able to mount a decent opposition. As it is this government will be able to do what it wants for years to come with or without Boris.

I'm not a socialist but think Boris has made a mess of things. Perhaps his successor will get things back under control but I have my doubts such is the weakness of the opposition.

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Corbyn and his left wing were a liability to the Labour Party at the election. The choice was between the lesser of two evils, I never rated Boris highly. Starmer comes over as a 'non person' with neither charm, humour nor personality. Politics fails to attract the best people as they can earn more in business or commerce. I'm sure Boris won't be too upset to be thrown out. He could earn far more in the media.

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1 hour ago, catfan said:

Sounds like I touched s nerve.

 

I'd suggest it is very debateable who touched who's nerves.

 

1 hour ago, catfan said:

When was the BBC Tory biased.

 

How long have you got?  I could fill a page just by quoting Kuennsberg, and it is an open secret that most of the BBCs major political/news staff are either openly Tory, or have strong associations.  same goes for their senior management.  It is undeniable. However, they rarely (apart from Kuenssberg and even she has learned..) , deliver overtly pro Tory messages.  They just fail to ask the right questions on a regular basis. Even now, with Johnson on the ropes, they are not joining the dots. When he goes, there will just be another, less accident prone replacement..though given the front runners at present ......:rolleyes:  More to the point, whilst 'partygate'  continues, the Tories are still pushing through their far right, anti-democratic legislation agenda...almost unnoticed, and almost unreported by the BBC.

What you and many others fail to see is the distinction between the BBCs socially and culturally liberal  stance, and the relatively easy political ride it gives Govt. Also, the BBC may be culturally and Socially 'liberal' in that it does not supress information or discussion of the issues, either in documentary, or via Arts programming, but it is not pushing what you ( incorrectly) describe as a 'woke' agenda.

2 hours ago, catfan said:

Far too woke in replacing white faces with black faces.

I wouldn't mind if the best candidate got the job but they didn't.

The BBC woke bias is obvious to a blind man.

 

Now we are getting down to it. You've never hidden the fact that you are very (small 'c') conservative in your outlook on numerous social and cultural issues. All you've done is replaced the use  pejorative use of 'political correctness', with the pejorative use of 'woke' , as you join the rest of the right in trying to turn progressive notions against those who originated and first adopted them. 

 

Woke is a term which has origins in the early 20th Century, and Political Correctness is also much older than you probably think. Political Correctness was used by the Nazis...so it is easy to see how the term can be adopted by anyone who wants to define, and impose their views of what is 'acceptable'. However, in modern usage Political Correctness simply meant the use of actions and language sensitive to minorities.

Of course it wasn't long before the right wing started using it pejoratively, in attempts to ridicule any move to change the status quo.  The political and cultural Right continue to do so.

 

The story is similar with 'Woke', where the right wing now uses this alternative term to try to resist change and ridicule those who work for it.

 

Of course  your assertion that the BBC is somehow 'driven' by 'Woke Culture' (There is no such thing) is more your perception, driven by your disquiet, than it is in any way factual. To prove your case, you are going to have to come up with not only  numbers, but also clear evidence of motivations and bias in recruitment.  Good luck with that.  And of course you can easily spot 'black' faces.   So..how many are too many and who do you think they replaced, or kept out?

Of course it gets a bit harder when dealing with 'whites'. But maybe you should look into how many are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Gay, Straight, Socialist etc.

Heaven forfend that the BBC should reflect changing demograhics, society and culture.

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58 minutes ago, philmayfield said:

Politics fails to attract the best people as they can earn more in business or commerce.

 

That is not the reason. Rees Mogg, Johnson, Sunak and even that joke Farage, are all wealthy enough to do very well without playing politics. It really isn't about pay for these types, or at least it isn't about their MP/Minister salary. It is about their maintenance of the Status Quo, or even increasing their privelege and position, by keeing the rest down. Why else are they legislating to limit protest, to make voting more difficult and to limit the ability of our independent judiciary to force Govt. to act within the law?

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Col your dislike is distorting your view of Johnson.  He may have lied and finagled his way to the top, but denigrating his success is denial of what was, at the end of the day, a stunning victory.  

You also ignore the blindingly obvious. Pushing against an open door certainly, but there is a huge element you fail to mention; Corbyn.

With his persistent fence sitting, refusal to commit, dubious political sympathies and just plain stupid policies he was a major contributor to Labour votes falling off a cliff.

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Boris did not 'lead' the vaccine roll out...  that was the NHS. Boris did not 'lead us through the pandemic'.  He was dragged, kicking and screaming..into acting..mostly too little and too late.

And now.. in order to save his own skin by placating the far right of a far right party, he is scrapping virtually all Covid restrictions..against scientific advice.

 

A little churlish there Col. The WHO declared Covid-19 a pandemic on the 11th of March. Within 4 days, on the 16th, Johnson started actions to limit unnecessary travel. Ordered lockdown on the 23rd and it became law on the 26th. I can’t remember if we were the 2nd or 3rd to lockdown, nor can I see how it could have been done faster.

 

The first vaccine in the world was 97% funded by the taxpayer...

Are the latest actions contrary to scientific advice? It’s a question of seek and ye shall find, some will say yes, some will say no.

I’m not a great fan but I can’t think of anyone who could have done better. Credit where credit is due.

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I've een critical of the BBC for 'Tory Bias' and I stand by that, but only in their political coverage.

 

Is the BBC biased to the left or right?  Judgement by the questions asked or not asked is, to say the least, a highly subjective way to form an opinion.

A survey seems to indicate the majority don’t think there is bias to any great degree  and are 'generally neutral'.

 

Labour voters are 'generally neutral' or 'don’t know'.

 

Conservatives, by a narrow margin think it favours the left, the ‘don’t knows’  are only a few points behind.

 

Overall the majority don’t know and believing the BBC is neutral being the second most commonly held view.

Another interpretation of course is that most don’t care so long as they don’t stop Corro!

 

There’s more:-

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/trackers/is-the-bbc-more-favourable-towards-labour-the-left-or-the-conservatives-the-right?crossBreak=conservative

 

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9 hours ago, Brew said:

Col your dislike is distorting your view of Johnson.  He may have lied and finagled his way to the top, but denigrating his success is denial of what was, at the end of the day, a stunning victory.  

You also ignore the blindingly obvious. Pushing against an open door certainly, but there is a huge element you fail to mention; Corbyn.

With his persistent fence sitting, refusal to commit, dubious political sympathies and just plain stupid policies he was a major contributor to Labour votes falling off a cliff.

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Jim, you really need to understand that my view of Johnson is not distorted. It is clear, logical and fixed.  The man has a lifelong history of lying, sense of entitlement, ambition to be 'World King' (His own words) and he's also not above bullying and threatening. ALL of the above is clearly documented and beyond dispute.  Why would anyone, much less an intelligent man such as you, expect him to change  when gifted the power he has always craved?

As for Corbyn, only very recently some BBC hack has finally admitted that the Anti Semitism allegations against Corbyn were totally without foundation.  I'll give you his dithering over Brexit and his poor style of leadership, but much of the perceived 'problem' with Corbyn was an entirely manufactured image relentlessly pushed by a far right which was genuinely scared of him, and not for the sake of the country, but for themselves.  I will not accept that his policies were in any way extreme and nor were his spending plans. In fact I'd have thought you'd have noticed that the  present crooks have taken  profligacy to new heights, and yet still manage to punish the poorest in society.

 

9 hours ago, Brew said:

A little churlish there Col. The WHO declared Covid-19 a pandemic on the 11th of March. Within 4 days, on the 16th, Johnson started actions to limit unnecessary travel. Ordered lockdown on the 23rd and it became law on the 26th. I can’t remember if we were the 2nd or 3rd to lockdown, nor can I see how it could have been done faster.

 

Jim, anyone who was awake was aware of Covid and its spread in China from January 2020

 

I last went in a pub on the 23rd of Feb 2020.,   whilst returning from the Bristol Hi Fi Show. I was already well aware of the threat by then and it was already present here, though in very small numbers.

 

This 'timeline', might remind you that everyone except, seemingly Boris Johnson, was already aware long before he bothered himself with it. He was so 'on it', he couldn't even be arsed to attend COBRA meetings, and publicly wandered about shaking hands with Covid victims.

He was, is and always will be, a pillock. (At least)

 

Also, after the mercifully short but utterly bizarre period when 'Herd Immunity' was seriously considered and testing abandoned.. he casually announced that we were all going to have to be prepared to lose a lot of relatives.  What an utter t**t.

 

OK, I'll give him the benefit, by not making him personally responsible for the failure of a 10 year long Tory Ascendency to note and act upon reports which recommended better planning for a coming pandemic... and consistently undermining and underfunding the NHS.  Many NHS staff died as a direct result of these failures. You are defending the indefensible.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_Kingdom_(January–June_2020)

 

9 hours ago, Brew said:

The first vaccine in the world was 97% funded by the taxpayer...

 

And your point?  That had little or nothing to do with Johnson.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford–AstraZeneca_COVID-19_vaccine#Clinical_trials

 

I watched a TV programme about that.  I don't recall all detail.. but it is clear that the real heroes were those who pushed on with stages of development which would not normally go ahead until results of earlier stages were known. That has nothing to do with vaccine safety..the only risk was to the company doing the work, because their funding was 'at risk', by them moving ahead so fast, in the hope that their previous stages would support the work they had moved on to.   These people were not weighing political advantage etc.. they just wanted to save lives.

 

I won't go on to Johnson's complete cock up at Christmas 2020, which led..as predicted by many, to a huge spike in infections and deaths early in 2021.

 

The man is a bloody liability..not just to the Tory Party, but to our country.

 

I won't get into BBC now, but you know as well as me that BBC is  frightened to oppose the Tories because they, as opposed to Labour, hate anything Govt. funded that they can't slice off a cash share of.

 

 

 

 

 

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