DJ360 6,712 Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 12 hours ago, Oztalgian said: Never has my gast been so flabbered. - Frankie Howerd Prof. Inigo Tinkle Meanwhile the ship of state sails on, effectively rudderless as the Conservatives have lost their moorings. Would a successful no confidence vote in parliament result in a general election? If not you may have to wait until 2025. Having said that have the loony extreme left been subdued or silenced within the Labor party to make them a viable government? As I understand it, it would take a lot of Tories plus the combined opposition parties to outvote the Govt. Whilst there's little doubt that many Tory MPs are very dissatisfied with the Govt, many also know that an election any time soon would see them out of a job, and the Tories out of office for a very long time. Given the scale of the Tory disaster, it's even possible the Tories could be wiped out in the way the Liberals were early in the 20thC. I'm not entirely sure how a particular vote becomes a 'Vote of Confidence'...I'll have to check on that. Also, the circumstances now are different to those prevailing in the early 20th C . Back then Labour was rapidly gaining a foothold in the consciousness of the working population, offering something fairer than the class ridden social structure and inflexible certainties of the Victorian and Edwardian periods. WW1 certainly hastened that process. So, put simply, Labour replaced the Liberals as the 'progressive' force in UK politics. At present, there's no cohesive ideology waiting in the wings to replace the Tories, so even if wiped out in the short term, they'll no doubt blunder on, picking over what's left of the UK that they can steal, sell off, etc. Labour is no longer able to offer a way out of the class system etc. as that has all but gone, so the offer at present is essentially a 'nicer' form of Capitalism. Labour need to find a much more targeted and cohesive alternative to the Tories. Winning on the basis that they are the 'best of a bad bunch' isn't sustainable. That said Labour are rightly wary of pronouncing too many definitive policies and spending commitments because, despite all evidence, people, egged on by a rabid foreign owned right wing press, are still easily convinced that Labour is a 'Tax and Spend' party, so any slight error of judgement will be pounced upon by the press. If the Tories do a 'Liberal Decline'..their replacement needs to come from some sort of coalition of Green/Environmental/Lib Dem etc. groups. ...maybe.. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,217 Posted October 21, 2022 Report Share Posted October 21, 2022 11 hours ago, DJ360 said: people, egged on by a rabid foreign owned right wing press, are still easily convinced that Labour is a 'Tax and Spend' party I find it interesting that the same line of attack is used by the conservatives here in Australia to target the Labour side of politics. Worthy of note is that it was largely the conservative side that suffered resounding defeats by the "Teal" (because of their campaign colours) independents and the greens. There may be some merit in the last paragraph of your post above for both the UK and here in OZ as like the UK Labor is being seen more as a Conservative Lite party. The main issue in doing that here is that people are concerned if the Green extremists hold any meaningful power they will destroy the economy by putting many green policies in place i.e closing coal and gas power generation before there is something to replace the base load power with. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 What an honourable, honest, patriotic, righteous, law-abiding man Boris is, he knew he would have won but dropped out for the sake of his country Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,594 Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 RR I love your sense of humour (at least I hope that’s what it is) 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, radfordred said: What an honourable, honest, patriotic, righteous, law-abiding man Boris is With more front than Brighton! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nonnaB 4,893 Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Congratulations on your new Prime Minister. Hope he does better than the previous 2. There’s been a lot of teasing cartoons here and I suppose in UK too. We have ( it seems) a serious Premier who as a woman hopefully get things moving. Must say she’s determined, refusing many perks of the job. Time will tell and good luck to both UK and Italy. I like the comic postcard “ Brexitaly” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 I don't forsee any significant change under Sunak. He's clearly a better communicator and less accident prone than 'Two Soups' Truss, but he's just as much in league with far right lobbying gangs such as the ERG, 'Institute of Economic Affairs' etc. It's pretty clear that the far right mob including Baker, Rees Mogg etc....decided that Johnson was too toxic. So they cut a deal with Sunak..offering him their support, in exchange for 30 pieces of silver in the form of the charming Cruella Braverman...back at the home office. Given her undisciplined, erratic and very outspoken approach to the job, I wouldn't be surprised if she hands Sunak a good reason to dispose of her in short order. Otherwise, it looks like business as usual.. Sunak may display a veneer of competence, but the business of asset stripping the UK, dismantling our public services and legislating away a century of hard won human rights will continue until the UK electorate wake up . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Reports that a 'Charity', set up by Jeremy Hunt, paid more than 66%:of its income to its only employee and Chief Executive....who just happens to have previously been an adviser to Hunt who was also involved in a lobbying scandal. Even if your political instincts are nsturally Conservative, it must be clear by now that the present bunch are just plain crooks and thieves. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,217 Posted October 26, 2022 Report Share Posted October 26, 2022 Just bought a new smart TV because all the pixies that lived inside the old one fell out. There is a free channel on it called GBTV watched it for all of two minutes yesterday. Never seen such biased reporting since I last mistakenly tuned in to Fox News. It appears to be slightly to the right of Attila the Hun. Do people watch this unmitigated drivel in the UK? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 I don't think many do Oz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSR 286 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 I 'gave up' over 35 years ago, like to know, will there only be Seven Kingdoms? Seems unlikely they will have the same names.. 'Mercia" needs to be at least split into four, before fighting for full control. Will 'Cornwall' remain... . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mary1947 2,071 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 Smart TV had one for quite a while its so smart but its sound quality is rubbish? Even brought 2 large speakers and the rest of equipment but still not much better, May-by I should go for a hearing test? hu'mmmm what's that you say? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha 176 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 11 hours ago, DJ360 said: Reports that a 'Charity', set up by Jeremy Hunt, paid more than 66%:of its income to its only employee and Chief Executive....who just happens to have previously been an adviser to Hunt who was also involved in a lobbying scandal. Even if your political instincts are nsturally Conservative, it must be clear by now that the present bunch are just plain crooks and thieves. Nothing new there then DJ! It would be interesting if this issue was mentioned to your local MP. Just to see how far it would get. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 11 hours ago, Oztalgian said: There is a free channel on it called GBTV The Nigel Farage show Monday to Thursday @ 7pm is well worth watching. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,118 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 I'm a TV News Addict and GB News is my firm favourite.......some great refreshing presenters....including Nigel Farage and Dan Wooton...... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 10 hours ago, radfordred said: The Nigel Farage show Monday to Thursday @ 7pm is well worth watching. GB News is a good way to find out what some of their presenters really think. Neil Oliver has revealedvhisvtrue colours for e.g, but Farage and Neill were already well known right wing Trolls . Farage is just a spiv. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,217 Posted October 27, 2022 Report Share Posted October 27, 2022 10 hours ago, radfordred said: he Nigel Farage show Monday to Thursday @ 7pm is well worth watching. 8 hours ago, benjamin1945 said: I'm a TV News Addict and GB News is my firm favourite.......some great refreshing presenters....including Nigel Farage and Dan Wooton. Thanks RR and Ben. The Farage show is on at 4:30 am in Adelaide, I'm certainly not getting up at that time to watch TV but I will record it and have a look. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 I am also a fan of Mike "Man of the Public" Graham & Julia Hartley-Brewer on TalkTV if you like a view of whats is really happening in the UK TALK TV Quote Link to post Share on other sites
benjamin1945 16,118 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Just watched our Non-Elected Prime Minister....visiting a Hospital in his white shirt with sleeves rolled up as if he was going to do some work........P..ses me right off.................. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,084 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 And getting told off by a patient for not paying NHS staff enough. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-63429726 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,217 Posted October 28, 2022 Report Share Posted October 28, 2022 Yes! Ben and Rob.L Meanwhile here in OZ in our new Labor governments' first budget they slash 2.5 billion dollars from the health budget? I really thought that a new Labor government would get its priorities right. Obviously I was wrong as they are still planning to go ahead with tax cuts for the mega rich. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted November 7, 2022 Report Share Posted November 7, 2022 In other news, I see that 'Sir' (whose idea was that?) Gavin Williamson has been once more demonstrating the statesmanship, political 'nous' and emotional maturity of a 10 year old.. Can't they put him on report, or in detention or something? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 Tory gerrymandering and voter suppression continue... https://bylinetimes.com/2022/11/07/voter-id-its-far-worse-than-any-us-state/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,084 Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 At the 2019 General Election, out of 47,587,254 people voting, there was only 1 conviction of voter fraud (+0 cautions). That represents 0.0000021014% of votes. Source - https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/our-views-and-research/our-research/electoral-fraud-data/2019-electoral-fraud-data 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted November 8, 2022 Report Share Posted November 8, 2022 Indeed. And the anti democratic Tory Govt. has taken away the independence of the very organisation which came up with those figures. When will the British Electorate wake up to what this bunch of criminals is doing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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