DJ360 6,710 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 Let's not let facts get in the way. Are they 'illegal immigrants', or refugees or asylum seekers? There is a difference. The whole immigrant situation is a very complex mess created by UK Govt failure, interference in foreign countries, Brexit, underfunding of Border Force and of course the current govt./ media hyping of the issue as a distraction from its many other failings, cock ups, disasters and crimes. And we still take fewer than most other countries. But that's all for another thread. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LizzieM 9,497 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 52 minutes ago, philmayfield said: I’ve got an inflatable dinghy and an outboard. I’m thinking of going over to France when the weather improves. Will I be put up in a luxury hotel in Calais? No but you could make a few bob! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 No vacancies 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,533 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Beekay said: And I bet they've all got Smartphones. Never understood why they were never turned round in Mid-channel and sent back. Gloss over it any way you like, but to me it's an invasion. yes to the smartphones plus £38 a week to spend on what they want plus free board and lodgings and three good meals a day, no heating/energy bills to worry about, as for "invasion" I was always led to believe is something/someone enters the country/city/home uninvited then it's classed as being invaded, did anyone invite these people here? I dunno Rog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,710 Posted December 28, 2022 Report Share Posted December 28, 2022 Govt. chooses not to allow asylum seekers to work. It therefore has no option but to provide them with shelter and sustenance until their case is decided. It takes ages for cases to be decided because Govt. couldn't organise a heavy drinking session in a brewery and will not properly fund the required departments. Asylum seekers don't make the rules. Govt. does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,533 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 On 12/28/2022 at 2:17 PM, DJ360 said: Let's not let facts get in the way. Are they 'illegal immigrants', or refugees or asylum seekers? There is a difference. The whole immigrant situation is a very complex mess created by UK Govt failure, interference in foreign countries, Brexit, underfunding of Border Force and of course the current govt./ media hyping of the issue as a distraction from its many other failings, cock ups, disasters and crimes. And we still take fewer than most other countries. But that's all for another thread. Surely you should be posting stuff about government, border force, brexit etc in the "Anything Political" section, I seem to remember a few years ago when I passed a comment about the BBC reporter being very amateurish in their style of reporting about the lateness and whereabouts of Airforce One (the American presidents airplane) my post was removed because you took it as being a political comment which at the time was not allowed, now you have your own "political" thread do you not think comments like this should be discussed there and not in a thread that is about past and present thoughts, memories and experiences of Skegness whether they be good bad or indifferent, just a thought Rog 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,710 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Roger. I agree that all political comment should be in the politics thread. That includes comments about immigrants in Skegness hotels. Comments about immigrants are by nature political. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
plantfit 7,533 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 4 minutes ago, DJ360 said: Roger. I agree that all political comment should be in the politics thread. That includes comments about immigrants in Skegness hotels. Comments about immigrants are by nature political. Then post them in the political thread, if you just put "see my comments in the political thread about Skegness" Rog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,710 Posted December 30, 2022 Report Share Posted December 30, 2022 Not the point I'm making Rog. The point is that political comments about immigrants in Skegness had already been made before I posted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted December 31, 2022 Report Share Posted December 31, 2022 On 12/28/2022 at 2:17 PM, DJ360 said: Let's not let facts get in the way. Are they 'illegal immigrants', or refugees or asylum seekers? There is a difference. The whole immigrant situation is a very complex mess created by UK Govt failure, interference in foreign countries, Brexit, underfunding of Border Force and of course the current govt./ media hyping of the issue as a distraction from its many other failings, cock ups, disasters and crimes. And we still take fewer than most other countries. But that's all for another thread. All thanks to Tony Bliar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,710 Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 Really Mike? Albanians, Syrians,, Aghans? So nothing sticks to the Tories who have been in power for 12 years? Really? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
catfan 14,793 Posted January 2, 2023 Report Share Posted January 2, 2023 It was Bliar's open door policy what started the rot. You know as well as me & everyone else this would be a Labour govt would continue with that. £7million a day on hotel costs can't continue, only the left would bury their heads in the sand. Anyway my original comment wasn't political it was about Skegness. You have politicised it, typical. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,710 Posted January 3, 2023 Report Share Posted January 3, 2023 Your original comment was about immigrants in Skegness and called them all 'illegal immigrants', which is both inaccurate and the result of a political judgement on your part. This is why I picked it up. Far too many political statements get posted which, if anyone, especially me, challenges, then I get the flak for 'politicising', when in fact I am merely pointing out the political nature of the comment. 4 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stavertongirl 1,713 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 I noticed the Labour Party(not sure of the name of the person who announced it) are thinking about making smoking illegal and are watching the Australian stopping smoking policy which is being discussed at the moment. They are citing the cost to the NHS as one of the reasons. On this premise surely they should also be considering alcohol at the same time and for the same reason? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 What about consumers of junk food (strokes, heart attacks). Those who take no exercise (obesity, thrombosis, coronaries, etc). Why stop at nicotine and alcohol? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MargieH 7,594 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 @Stavertongirl a good idea in theory but even if smoking and alcohol were to be made illegal, enforcing this would be extremely difficult, if not impossible. Also, the benefits for the NHS wouldn’t be seen for decades as diseases related to smoking and alcohol consumption usually take many years to develop. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,089 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 You’ve only got a drink problem if you drink more than your doctor. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,094 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 You've only got a drink problem if you fall over....and cling on ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,084 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 No point banning smoking. It will only drive it into the hands of the black market. As it stands, the numbers of smokers gets smaller every year anyway. Now just over 13%, when it was more like 20% only a handful of years ago. Although it amazes me that people can actually afford to buy fags. Last I heard, they were something like £10 to £12 a packet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beekay 5,094 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Yes Rob., and how much of that is government tax? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stavertongirl 1,713 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Beekay said: Yes Rob., and how much of that is government tax? At least half if not a bit more, same with booze. Exchequer would take an enormous hit, it would have to be clawed back somewhere else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,435 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Looking at various sources, it seems that tax on a packet of 20 is 16.5% of the retail price plus £5.26, which means you pay a total of around £7.20 tax on each pack. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,089 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 I think that many smokers are choosing to ‘vape’, which makes them look they’re on fire, or smoking substances other than tobacco. I tried smoking a cigarette, only once, very many years ago and couldn’t see the attraction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jill Sparrow 10,267 Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Vaping, in its own way, is also hazardous to health, not to mention the risk of the equipment exploding in your pocket. I have never even tried smoking. Can't see the point. I've always thought of it as a form of substitute dummy. Never had one of those, either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,435 Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 The worst thing about vaping is the revolting, sickly sweet smell it gives off; even worse than cigars and pipe smoking. You can usually spot a vaper by not being able to see them, hidden behind a thick white cloud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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