DJ360 6,712 Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 5 hours ago, Cliff Ton said: He worked for the BBC on the World Cup in Qatar. He wouldn't say anything about the Qatari government's attitude to a number of topics....."I'm only here to report on football". As I recall, he made comments about human rights etc., in Qatar which had been previously agreed with the BBC. But that was in the context of a sport programme. His recent comments were made in his capacity as a private citizen, on his private Twitter feed. The BBC might have a stronger case if they pursued their Tory presenters such as Neill, Clarkson, Kuenssberg, Bruce, etc., etc with equal vigour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stavertongirl 1,713 Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 Whilst not supporting the decision of the BBC or what Lineker wrote I just wondered due to his status(?) as a celebrity of sorts can he still be classed as a private citizen? Probably going to get shot down by those that know. more then me but the fact he is a household name means his remarks would get more coverage than a normal “private” citizen? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 483 Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 3 hours ago, DJ360 said: I too do not follow football and have at best a neutral view of Lineker as a person. However, this row is not about football, salaries etc. It is about Govt. attempts to use their Political control of the BBC to suppress criticism of their utterances, language and policies. Very important principles are at stake here. What evidence have you got the the Government have somehow influenced or worse, the Beebs actions.? I seen it reported that others think the same but as of yet have seen no hard evidence like copies of leaked emails or transcripts of phone calls between any relevenat parties. Just in case it's relevant, I've have no allegiance to any Political party, never have, never will have and in the past I've voted for all the major parties and would do in the future. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Stavertongirl said: Whilst not supporting the decision of the BBC or what Lineker wrote I just wondered due to his status(?) as a celebrity of sorts can he still be classed as a private citizen? Probably going to get shot down by those that know. more then me but the fact he is a household name means his remarks would get more coverage than a normal “private” citizen? It's a fair point Stav, but if that rule applies, then why is it not applied equally to all BBC presenters? I've already named several who are known Tories who have got away with far worse,, whilst actually broadcasting on BBC, not just Tweeting Did you hear what Fiona Bruce said on QT the other night when she basically dismissed Johnson Sr's reported domestic violence as 'just a one off'? It seems she has apologised and no doubt she will just carry on until the next time, but she is not only a known Tory married to a major Tory, but she lacks the political insight to properly chair QT. She's both biased and out of her depth. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Oztalgian 3,218 Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 2 hours ago, DJ360 said: Did you hear what Fiona Bruce said on QT the other night No but I do know that she won "Rear of the Year" in 2010 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stavertongirl 1,713 Posted March 11, 2023 Report Share Posted March 11, 2023 Didn’t see QT but heard about it. It is horrorific and an apology just doesn’t cut it I am afraid. As a woman she should be totally ashamed of herself for such an unforgivable comment. I do agree the rules should apply to all equally, but unfortunately as usual some are more equal than others. In the present situation could the fact that the BBC has to go cap in hand to the government for the licence fee have any bearing if pressure has been applied? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 14 hours ago, Oztalgian said: No but I do know that she won "Rear of the Year" in 2010 I'd say she's better qualified for A**e of the Year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 14 hours ago, Stavertongirl said: Didn’t see QT but heard about it. It is horrorific and an apology just doesn’t cut it I am afraid. As a woman she should be totally ashamed of herself for such an unforgivable comment. I do agree the rules should apply to all equally, but unfortunately as usual some are more equal than others. In the present situation could the fact that the BBC has to go cap in hand to the government for the licence fee have any bearing if pressure has been applied? I agree about Bruce. She's led a charmed life at the BBC up to now but the 'nice middle class girl' veneer is wearing very thin these days as her attitudes and associations, along with her journalistic limitations become increasingly evident. As for political control of the BBC. Clearly funding issues are part of the story, but I think it's far more instructive to join a much wider set of dots. In my view the present Tory Party has been totally captured by nefarious far right actors, who have insinuated themselves into the very centre of power. Surely nobody seriously believes that Truss came up with her crazy plans all by herself? She's too dumb for that, but not too dumb to be installed as a 'puppet' by the quietly determined, oil and tobacco funded 'Institute of Economic Affairs' and other crooks installed at 55 Tufton Street. Just because their plans blew up in all of our faces doesn't mean they've gone away. They are still quietly circumventing parliamentary democracy at every opportunity and that includes using their influence over the BBC from within to manipulate the news and suppress opposition voices. It was obvious to close observers that the hysterical bluster repeated daily in parliament by the Sunak/ Braverman double act was just a clumsy attempt to divert attention away from troubles at home, whilst simultaneously pointing the finger of blame at 'illegal immigrants'. It has to be said that this is classic far right, borderline fascist political behaviour and that Lineker's comparison with 30s Germany was spot on. The clearly joint Govt./BBC response has, if anything, proven Lineker's point and backfired badly by bringing Govt. interference in BBC impartiality into sharp focus and increasing, rather than diverting scrutiny. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 18 hours ago, Stuart.C said: What evidence have you got the the Government have somehow influenced or worse, the Beebs actions.? I seen it reported that others think the same but as of yet have seen no hard evidence like copies of leaked emails or transcripts of phone calls between any relevenat parties. Just in case it's relevant, I've have no allegiance to any Political party, never have, never will have and in the past I've voted for all the major parties and would do in the future. Stuart, it's more a case of spotting numerous clues, incidents etc. I'm a lifelong fan of the BBC, in terms of its quality of programming, it's socially liberal attitudes etc., but I'm increasingly appalled by the BBC's obvious political bias in favour of the Tories. Just watch how Fiona Bruce 'chairs' discussion on QT. Also note how BBC main news programmes tend not to ask the questions which are obvious to those of us who observe politics closely. Ask yourself why the BBC repeatedly 'platforms' unelected far right characters who front dubious 'Institutes', which are in fact political lobbying organisations funded by oil/fossil fuel/ tobacco and other interests which need to block environmental/conservation measures for their own survival, but which will also naturally favour tax breaks for industry and the rich. The BBC's excuse is 'balance', which is patent nonsense. And finally...have a look at this: https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0VboHdtrd8WfeUvuAR29DqJCh6b7biLVcUXWn3sujSHswznmhQdrHurCr21wTBQ85l&id=304806723192068 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mary1947 2,071 Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just one question do we not live in the UK? Well maybe more. I was under the impression that in the UK we had freedom of speech? Did not the top man of the BBC give a vast amount of money to the Tory Party? Did he not know that we have other political parties besides them? Where doe's equal rights fit into this? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 On the drive home from my Daughter's a little while ago, I heard the BBC Radio 4 News. They mentioned the Lineker issue and played a recording purporting to be Man U fans claiming that Lineker was out of order. Presumably, the BBC with its vast resources was unable to find anyone who supports Lineker. THAT is what I mean by 'spotting numerous clues, incidents etc ' That sort of constant low level distortion and sloppyness is endemic within BBC News. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,084 Posted March 12, 2023 Report Share Posted March 12, 2023 And while they’re all ranting and raving about Gary Lineker, they’re not saying a word about others who’ve made clear their opposition to the government’s plans. Surprisingly, they’ve not made the Daily Mail’s front page. Here are one or two of them. Stephen Cottrell, Archbishop of York Paul Butler, Bishop of Durham Rose Hudson-Wilkin, Bishop of Dover Paul McAleenan, Roman Catholic Bishop Rabbi Jonathan Wittenberg Rabbi Charley Baginsky Paul Parker, Recording Clerk of Quakers in Britain Leaders from the Baptist, Methodist and United Reform churches 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HSR 286 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 Always wondered, does Lineker write his own crap pun's at the end of each MOTD? RAF Scampton next week, will the BEEB cover it? I'm guessing it won't be topic on QT.. Alerta.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 483 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 If I was the person at the Beeb, or any other organisation that might have every man (person) cat or dog ready to jump on them for things said by people with an influence, who are employed by the Beeb whether it be direct or under contract, I would have had concerns over the reference to Germany in the 30's not the basic criticism of U.K Gov. I suspect Gary Lineker didn't think the comment through as it could be interpreted as suggesting that U.K Gov would be planning to carry out exterminations in the future. I suspect no one else in a similar position criticising U.K Gov has made a similar comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The Engineer 612 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just looked at the BBC News home page. Apparently the most important topic in the world right now is that a former top-flight footballer turned freelance pundit is to 'return to air' on the Beeb after resolving an issue about some comments he made on social media that didn't fit with their guidelines on conduct. Over on ITV news, the main story is about some 'showbiz' awards in America. Meanwhile, a war rages on in the Ukraine, there is unrest in Greece after a train crash that killed dozens of people and a large tech bank in Silicon Valley has gone bust. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,089 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 He’s coming back now so we can all rest safely in our beds. I’m usually fast asleep in mine when he’s on the TV so I don’t have to watch the overpaid crisp salesman. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
letsavagoo 957 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 You’re going to come back DJ but are you really serious that the BBC are bias to the Tory government. Really. You name some well known BBC presenters who are Tory supporters but there are many many with allegiance to the left. Secondly and Stavertongirl made this point, Lineker is such a high profile BBC presenter his views on political matters or anything else for that matter will not be seen as private views. The BBC backing down is a victory for the woke left. Shameful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Stuart.C said: If I was the person at the Beeb, or any other organisation that might have every man (person) cat or dog ready to jump on them for things said by people with an influence, who are employed by the Beeb whether it be direct or under contract, I would have had concerns over the reference to Germany in the 30's not the basic criticism of U.K Gov. I suspect Gary Lineker didn't think the comment through as it could be interpreted as suggesting that U.K Gov would be planning to carry out exterminations in the future. I suspect no one else in a similar position criticising U.K Gov has made a similar comparison. I disagree with your assessment of Linekers comment. It seems as though you have not heard the hysterical inflammatory language used by Braverman to describe migrants, in an attempt to not only divert from Govt. failures in all areas of policy and governance, including their 14 year failure to get a grip of the asylum system, but also a very distasteful attempt to vilify and scapegoat Migrants as well as deliberately whipping up fear and hatred. In my view, Lineker's description of Braverman's language was spot in. He did not mention Nazis or the holocaust, but he correctly described the exaggerated and inflammatory language used by Braverman, who in my view is unfit to hold office, because she seems incapable of stopping herself from being hateful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 5 hours ago, The Engineer said: Just looked at the BBC News home page. Apparently the most important topic in the world right now is that a former top-flight footballer turned freelance pundit is to 'return to air' on the Beeb after resolving an issue about some comments he made on social media that didn't fit with their guidelines on conduct. Over on ITV news, the main story is about some 'showbiz' awards in America. Meanwhile, a war rages on in the Ukraine, there is unrest in Greece after a train crash that killed dozens of people and a large tech bank in Silicon Valley has gone bust. I 've been watching the BBC News channel for a couple of hours now. Coverage so far has included the Lineker row, the Oscars, Farming , Doctor's strike, North Korea, Sunak in San Diego, Silicon Valley Bank, Ukraine, UK Conservation, Arab Oil profits, etc, etc. I can't comment on ITV . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, letsavagoo said: You’re going to come back DJ but are you really serious that the BBC are bias to the Tory government. Really. You name some well known BBC presenters who are Tory supporters but there are many many with allegiance to the left. Secondly and Stavertongirl made this point, Lineker is such a high profile BBC presenter his views on political matters or anything else for that matter will not be seen as private views. The BBC backing down is a victory for the woke left. Shameful. You bet I'm going to come back! There are very few left leaning POLITICAL journalists in the BBC. Please check your facts. Also please compare the total lack of censure of Neill, Kuenssberg, Bruce, et. al. after they have used their positions as supposed impartial commentators to push their own agenda whilst broadcasting on political matters... with the IMMEDIATE suspension of Lineker after a PRIVATE tweet, clearly not representing the BBC and before any form of investigation. The BBC has also admitted that the alleged guidelines have 'grey areas', whichbis not Lineker's fault. Finally, what in God's name is 'the woke left'? Woke is a century old term which originated in the American civil rights movement. It simply means 'Alert to injustice' and I am very disturbed that you have joined with Braverman and many on the far right in deliberately misusing the term 'Woke' in a pejorative sense in an effort to discredit legitimate protest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
letsavagoo 957 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 You know very well what the woke left is I’m sure. ps. The weather here today is like Stalingrad 1942. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 I know the true meaning of 'woke'. I don't know what you mean by the 'woke left'. But it's clear you are using the term pejoratively so please tell me who the 'woke left' are, what 'woke left' means and why a victory for them would be shameful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stavertongirl 1,713 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 Can I ask what does “woke” mean. Hear it bandied about but don’t have an idea what it means. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philmayfield 6,089 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 In modern parlance it describes hypocritical close-minded people who are are unable to accept other people’s criticism or different perspective. Initially it was used to describe people who became more aware of social injustice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,712 Posted March 13, 2023 Report Share Posted March 13, 2023 39 minutes ago, Stavertongirl said: Can I ask what does “woke” mean. Hear it bandied about but don’t have an idea what it means. As I said above. 'Woke' means 'Alert to injustice'. Any other meaning is a recent attempt by certain elements on the political right to misrepresent, belittle or ridicule the 'woke'..jn an attempt to undermine rightful protest campaigning etc. This pejorative use of 'woke', seems to have emerged since Trump divided America, Black Lives Matter and other group pushed back etc. The UK right, including far right groups such as the EDL et.al. and Braverman, who as a minister should know better, have also adopted their take on the Term. Woke is now used by some, in a similar manner to 'Snowflake' and cries of 'Political correctness gone mad', to try to discredit genuine concerns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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