Rob.L 1,088 Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 17 hours ago, Brew said: Now under the guise of reducing waiting times Labour proposes to spend money in the private sector, a quick fix solution that has every likelihood of becoming an expensive permanent policy. But that has been happening since 2000, when Labour were previously in power. If there was an excessive wait for treatment, the NHS were able to use the private sector. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,408 Posted April 10 Report Share Posted April 10 14 minutes ago, Rob.L said: If there was an excessive wait for treatment, the NHS were able to use the private sector. They still do but it is now no longer an ad hoc option it's to become a regular part of the service and the cost will come from the budget to the detriment of the NHS. It is no more and no less than creeping privatisation and patients will be the ones who suffer in the long run. Senior consultants (who stand to gain most), have said as much. This article explains it better: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/08/private-hospitals-cannibalising-nhs-in-england-by-doing-10-of-elective-operations Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 I'm confused. I was under the impression that the Police had already decided to investigate Angela Raynor's tax affairs a couple of weeks ago. Yet it's headline news on the BBC today, Of course, the sight of well known fraudster Grant Schapps getting all indignant about supposed 'hyoocrisy' on the part of Raynor is irony of epic proportions. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stuart.C 491 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 DJ, Todays headline appears to be that Angela Raynor is now also being investigated re whether she correctly gave her main residence address for the electoral register. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,408 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 3 hours ago, DJ360 said: 'm confused. I was under the impression that the Police had already decided to investigate Angela Raynor's tax affairs a couple of weeks ago. Yet it's headline news on the BBC today, Apparently witnesses have come forward to offer fresh evidence, and there is a new complaint from a different quarter. Whilst I would like to see her slapped down, I think it's a sad comment on the state of the political scene today that they are using the police as agents to attack teach other. Starmer of course is back on the fence of plausible deniability. "I've not seen the legal advice letter, but my team has". Yeah right... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
letsavagoo 961 Posted April 12 Report Share Posted April 12 8 hours ago, DJ360 said: well known fraudster Grant Schapps Is this in relation to his software company ‘How To Corp’ or something else. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rob.L 1,088 Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Was that Shapps? Thought it was either Michael Green, Corinne Stockheath or Sebastian Fox. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted Monday at 11:30 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 11:30 AM On 4/12/2024 at 5:38 PM, Brew said: Whilst I would like to see her slapped down, Not the sort of language I normally associate with you Jim. Do you mean in general, or just in relation to any ALLEGED wrongdoing? You know that she is probably more feared by the Tories than any other Labour politician, including Starmer hence the Tory feeding frenzy. I mean, is it normal for a Senior Tory to write a book entitled 'The Unofficial Biography of Angela Raynor'? Seems quite creepy to me. As I understand it, there were two properties involved and that she was at some point separated from her husband/ partner. This may be the root of issues/ confusion. I don't know any more., except that Tory James Daly on Politics Live literally just now..was unable to outline ANY specific alleged wrongdoing, even though he is the one who brought them to the attention of Police. Frankly, he looked decidedly sheepish and uncomfortable. He should anyway, as his majority in Bury North is just 0.2%, so he's almost certainly toast at the next election. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,408 Posted Monday at 12:34 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:34 PM 1 hour ago, DJ360 said: Not the sort of language I normally associate with you Jim. I was using language anyone (Raynor), who calls people 'homophobic, racist, misogynistic scum'. would understand. There's more but too rude for this forum. I don't know any more details than you and I'm sure you noted I did not accuse her of any wrongdoing. I simply replied to your post that new evidence and a new complaint based on it had been made. I will accuse her of hypocrisy. I also said politicians are using the police as agents to attack each other. The investigation as I understand it regards her statement in 2015 about her main residence, and is therefore out of time for prosecution making the police investigation pointless. The second allegation is about tax and if she owes for capital gains on the sale of a house. This is gutter politicking, and the Tories are descending to her level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted Tuesday at 11:00 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 11:00 AM Leaving Rayner aside for a moment.. ( I've been spelling it incorrectly..Raynor was my late Father in Law's stage name..) Truss's performance on the telly yesterday ... She comes across as seriously deranged and in deep denial. And she wants Trump back. And she supports Farage. And she opposes anti smoking measures Obviously not remotely influenced by the Tuffron Street mob.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,457 Posted Tuesday at 01:37 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 01:37 PM Every time Truss speaks, you think she can't get any madder..........but she always does. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,408 Posted Tuesday at 07:32 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 07:32 PM 8 hours ago, DJ360 said: She comes across as seriously deranged and in deep denial. You've missed the big picture. With Trump as president and Farage as PM... what could possibly go wrong... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted Tuesday at 09:44 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 09:44 PM Fair point... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,408 Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago So now it's Starmers turn to demand a police investigation - tit for tat anyone? I've no idea what Menzies has been up to, but although it all seems rather unsavoury, was it criminal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DJ360 6,721 Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago As with Rayner.. we'll have to wait and see. However, it seems his party has known of 'allegations' for months and only now taken action. I think that's the fourth Tory MP to lose the whip recently. To quote Lady Bracknell: 'For one MP to lose the whip may be deemed unfortunate, but for FOUR to lose the whip smacks of carelessness' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brew 5,408 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, DJ360 said: However, it seems his party has known of 'allegations' for months and only now taken action. That's my point Col. Someone has been digging in the mire, politics and politicians are getting desperate, nasty and personal. The Tories can't convince us their policies are working, thus we have the attack on Rayner in the hope it damages Labour by association. Despite the weasel words Labour really have not presented a single itemised or realistic costed argument. I've said it so any times, they are totally bereft of any clear and communicable ideas. Now Menzies has given them a bone to chew. And so both parties are now resorting to scrabbling in the dirt of the opposition's personal dirty laundry. It's all a smoke screen to hide to appalling state of UK politics It's disgusting and I despair... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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