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I already mentioned somewhere the Great Central crash just north of New Basford Station in late 1950,s saw aftermath but anyone else have any details? ...

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Bilbraborns mention of 'aged' Colwick etc.' locomen struck a chord with me as it was the reason I left the footplate after nearly 16 years. The date you started as a loco cleaner was your 'Seniority'

Although my family worked for the LMR part of the railway, I loved the Eastern region engines. I loved all steam locomotives but I had favourites. A few years ago I wrote a poem about the days when m

I was trying not to say a certain word that could get me into trouble.

I already mentioned somewhere the Great Central crash just north of New Basford Station in late 1950,s saw aftermath but anyone else have any details? As regards a quiz, What was unusual re Stainer 8F LMS no. 8071 based at Nottingham shed? finally don't forget far as I know Duchess of Sutherland is due through Nottingam and then on old GNR route to Grantham early Sat morning back about 6pm

What was unusual re Stainer 8F LMS no. 8071 based at Nottingham shed?

She was lost at sea!

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As regards a quiz, What was unusual re Stainer 8F LMS no. 8071 based at Nottingham shed?

According to my combined volumes starting at 1948, it doesn't exist.

I can only asume it was drafted into the WD during the war and sent abroad, possibly to the Middle East. In which case it could be part of the famous sunken cargo of 8F's sitting on the bottom of the Red Sea, or it could have been destroyed in the North African campaign, or it might hopefully be one of the half dozen or so survivors remaining in Turkey, of which I hear negotiations are underway to bring some back, one came back in 1989 and is being restored.

I've just read that one is rumoured to be in Iraq, unless the Americans have liberated it as a war prize.

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Sorry, my last posting should have gone on the Railway Walks thread.

How could I have forgotten it as it starts with a picture of the lady in question.

Have any of you railway buffs been to Loughborough to see Tornado, £3m pounds worth of new Pacific, if so, how impressive is it.

They could have saved themselves the money by purchasing at the time the last one, St Mungo, that I saw and photographed at York shed in 1966, I think it was available for it's scrap metal value which was a few hundred quid at the time, but obstacles tended to be put in the way in those days.

My father worked with a real enthusiast then and they formulated a plan for all chipping in at work and buying a Fowler ex LMS 2-6-0 'Crab'. They even went so far as to looking in to keeping it at Wollaton Colliery sidings. Like many preservation attempts in those days, it came to nowt.

When the GCR restored 71000 Duke of Gloucester, they had to manufacture most of the vital parts such as the cylinders which were missing, well not quite, they were on display in the Science Museum along with its name and number plates, but the miserable gits wouldn't give them back.

This worked well in the long run because the restorers found flaws in the original design and put them right, I gather that Tornado has been more or less built to it's original spec though.

Duke of Gloucester was originally on the list of due to be preserved steam locos published in 1960, I found the list in one of my books when I was trying to work out the 8F conundrum.

After rotting away at Crewe for a while, BR changed it's mind, stripped it and sold it for scrap, fortunately it was purchased by Dai Woodham at Barry, who, after a scare when it was delivered to the wrong scrapyard, was determined to keep it intact, along with as many of the other locos he had obtained as possible. Thanks to that one man, our steam preservation movement is alive and kicking today, otherwise it would have been pathetic, no thanks to BR.

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My hubby and his mate went to loughborough last sunday for the day and got to see TORNADO. He said it was very impressive but still in primer. It was a glorious day and it was packed solid. x

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Went to Quorn too. Absolutely packed and awful problems parking the car. But a fabulous day out with a full programme of steam trains running throughout the day.

Got a short trip behind Tornado to Loughborough and back. Standing room only in spite of a full train of coaches.

A magnificent piece of machinery - built from scratch. Brought a lump to the throat to stand alongside and admire!

Dont miss tonights telly programmes if interested. Not sure which one - but BBC4 between 8.30pm and 10.00pm.

Apparently one of them covers the story of the 'build' from beginning to end

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Ayup firbeck,

Give Beefsteak a shout, I sent him a couple of pics of Tornado the other day, if he's no longer got them PM me and I will forward them to you

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Well, it's obviously getting the publicity it deserves, remember when the class was 10 a penny at Grantham back in the 60's.

Good coverage of it on TV last night, big question, what colour scheme will it end up in, my bet is on late 1940's apple green with BR logos, personally, I'd like to see it in BR Brunswick Green, the scheme which most of us can relate to.

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In my day the A1's were kept quite clean..

The specialist shed for dirty locos was Gateshead, with it's rake of non-corridor A4's!

Have to agree with the Brunswick Green colour nomination for 60163, presumably they await the vote from their contributors.

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there used to be (maybe still there?) a photo on the wall in the station hotel newstead village of the flying scotsman in condition I described pulling coal wagons from pit across the road

Bloody hell, I knew that A3's were used through Vic in the late 50's, can't recall seeing one, V2's yes, but I knew that Scotsman was one of them, Captain Cuttle another, I would like to have seen that, a grimy FS on a coal train.

I shall have to have another go at Photobucket this weekend, my problem seems to be with the computer, I tried sending some scans to the council in the week and it sends out ridiculous amounts of other crap with it, why, I don't know, but I reckon thats whats messing up Photobucket.

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Numerous A3's were taken on medium term 'loan' to Leicester GC shed from southern locations on the ECML during the 50's. At various times this involved a selection from Sandwich, Melton, Galtee More, Prince Palatine, Prince of Wales, Tracery, Sir Frederick Banbury, Flying Scotsman, Solario, Flying Fox, Royal Lancer, Gay Crusader & Enterprise.

Can't recall Captain Cutttle...which was a long-time Gateshead loco.

Quiz: Which regular Nottingham visitor was to have been named Kerrigirum?

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Thanks for posting the pics Ian, they were emailed to me by my mate Rob the oracle "knows most things military and transport"

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It's a wonder them copper pipes ain't been nicked and weighed in ..............................

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Numerous A3's were taken on medium term 'loan' to Leicester GC shed from southern locations on the ECML during the 50's. At various times this involved a selection from Sandwich, Melton, Galtee More, Prince Palatine, Prince of Wales, Tracery, Sir Frederick Banbury, Flying Scotsman, Solario, Flying Fox, Royal Lancer, Gay Crusader & Enterprise.

Can't recall Captain Cutttle...which was a long-time Gateshead loco.

Quiz: Which regular Nottingham visitor was to have been named Kerrigirum?

Cheers

Robt P.

BUMP...

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Doncaster BI (6)1036 Ralph Assheton, a regular on the GC Grimsby-Whitland 'fast fish'...

Was to be named after the obscure antelope - in common with the first 41 class members - until Assheton's LNER board appointment took preference...

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Robt P.

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Doncaster BI (6)1036 Ralph Assheton, a regular on the GC Grimsby-Whitland 'fast fish'...

Was to be named after the obscure antelope - in common with the first 41 class members - until Assheton's LNER board appointment took preference...

Cheers

Robt P.

You must be a B1 officianado, is it safe to assume that some of the other obscure, self indulgent names, such as Strang Steel, where did that come from, and H Harold Bibby, came about because they couldn't find any other antelopes to name them after.

In the mid 60's, we went on a school railway society trip to Colwick sheds. By then, I wasn't taking numbers, just photographing and taking in what wasn't going to be there for much longer.

My old man used to come along as well, and coupled with that and my mate Fanny Hills enthusiasm, a couple of young drivers took us on a special trip while the rest piled round the sheds taking numbers.

I was allowed to drive an 8F out the sheds to the coaling tower, then on to the turntable where we turned it and shoved it back into the duty lane. We were then taken into the main shed where the last B1 was being used as a steam heating boiler. Idiot here pulled the whistle which jammed, our pals had to climb up on to the fire box and belt the whistle with a spanner to shut the thing up.

I was then presented with a large spanner and informed that I could have it's Colwick shed plate off the smoke box door. While nearly breaking my arms trying to remove this thing, the shed foreman arrived and we had to abandon our mission, got loads of gauge glasses and bits off the scrapline though.

I'm sure that this is the other B1 preserved apart from the so called Mayflower, was it 61224, departmental number 28? am I right.

I thought that the Grimsby fish trains went to London, why Whitland, that was in Camarthen, they had their own fish, don't tell me it was shipped off to Ireland via Fishguard.

Another story, our school railway society had an evening trip to Vic to the control centre next to the current sad remains of the clock tower. Fantastic evening, watching the movements being plotted on the very sophisticated system, we thought, which was awsome.

We split into two groups and one lot vanished.

They came back and informed us that they had watched Brit 'John of Gaunt' come through Vic on the fish train, all we got was the all pervading smell of herrings, I never forgave the rest of them for that, selfish gits.

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Ayup firbeck,

The B1 you mentioned as being used as a steam heating boiler at Colwick has I believe been restored and was running on the Ruddington GC rails where a mate of mine is a loco fireman,

might be worth investigating

Rog

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I'm sure that this is the other B1 preserved apart from the so called Mayflower, was it 61224, departmental number 28? am I right......I thought that the Grimsby fish trains went to London, why Whitland, that was in Camarthen, they had their own fish, don't tell me it was shipped off to Ireland via Fishguard......They came back and informed us that they had watched Brit 'John of Gaunt' come through Vic on the fish train, all we got was the all pervading smell of herrings, I never forgave the rest of them for that, selfish gits.

IIRC, 61264...

The 'fast fish' ran right through to Whitland, certainly during the 50's - dropping off numerous vans at various places en route Originally the B1 (occasional K3) ran right through from Grimsby to Banbury, often remarshalling at the Vic or Leicester and watering at either Leicester or Charwelton troughs. Later on as the loading increased to 30+ vans, and Charwelton became defective, the Donny B1/K3 took over at Lincoln's Pyewipe Jct from an Immingham loco, for the run to Banbury...via Dukeries Jct, Ollerton, Mansfield, Kirkby South Jct etc...

The working was invariably double-headed from Pyewipe on Thursdays and Fridays.

At Banbury a WR loco took over for the stage to Cardiff, via Swindon, by which time the length of the train had been halved!

Certainly so that the Immingham 'Brits' (primarily ex-GE locos, and watering at Leicester) took over the haulage during the last days and I can confirm your 'pervading smell' remark!

We always knew when we had just missed her crossing Arnold Road due to the lingering aroma... !faint!

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Robt P.

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