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Hillsborough 1989

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Not so at football matches mick,if you watch on tv you see the ground half empty 15 mins before kick off,the pubs surrounding the stadiums are full,then they all cram in with mins to go,its a wonder there hasnt been alot more tragedies.

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Scouse so called supporters arrived late from pub and tried to blagg their way Into Hillsborough without. Tickets (as usual ) and crushed their own supporters that had arrived early to watch a game of football.No sympathy.

Chillwell wardy

I notice your two posts(nearly the same) are your first on this forum I hope they are your last.

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As was mentioned in another thread...... Do Not Feed the Trolls

They only do it to wind people up, so just ignore them.

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One question remains in my mind.

Why did so many fans arrive so late, where had they been until just before kick off.

In those public events that I attend, and that does not include football matches, I always ensure I am early to get my seat.

Firstly Mick, if you watch the video I posted you'll see that the crowd outside was already there at 2.33. A couple of things conspired such that a few thousand fans arrived around that time. Firstly, in 1988 there were 3 trains chartered for a Sheffield fixture, that year only 1 was made available, so there were higher numbers using coaches. There were unannounced road works on the M62 so many of these coaches were delayed. As soon as it was realised that there would be many fans arriving after 2.30 a police officer asked for the game to be delayed by 15 mins as had happened 2 years earlier but this was refused. In fact, it has been calculated that with the small number of turnstiles it would have taken until 40 minutes into the game for everyone to get into the ground. IMHO arriving 30 minutes before a game is not 'late'. I generally leave the pub at Anfield with about 10 minutes to go and walk straight through a turnstile. The police immediately blamed drunk, late, ticketless fans and all 3 of these aspects have been shown to be lies. In particular, those who travelled by coach didn't have time for a pint before the match and the pubs were, in fact, fuller with Forest fans as the game approached according to the evidence given at the Taylor inquiry. Forest fans could walk straight into the ground at the last minute as they had enough turnstiles so a crowd didn't build up outside in the same way.

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Paid my respects in the Old Market Square at three today. There was a good turnout with many doing likewise.

God bless the 96.

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Hillsborough Ride For The 96. Bikes stolen at Anfield!

Six Irishmen visiting Merseyside for a charity cycle ride in memory of the Hillsborough victims have had their bikes stolen outside Anfield. Merseyside Police said five bikes were stolen from a van parked near the ground while the group were on a tour of Liverpool FC's stadium on Saturday.

I think the scousers will find and sort these boys out?

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Thoughts with all those who lost friends and family at Hillsborough 26 years ago today. All 96 remembered.

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Thanks for posting that. It's great that even Duckenfield (the policeman in charge) has now admitted to lying about the gate being forced and that he froze when the tragedy unfolded. Finaly the inquest is forcing the truth out of some of the people who've maintained their lies all these years.

Meanwhile, on a footballing tragedy note, astonishing news that the Bradford fire that killed 56 football fans was one of 9 fires at businesses owned by the then Bradford chariman Stafford Heginbotham. Apparently, the day before he had been told it would cost £2million to bring the ground up to standard, adding to his money troubles.

"The pattern began with a fire at a three-storey Bradford factory in May 1967 and continued on Good Friday 1968 with another fire at the premises of Genefoam, of which Heginbotham was the managing director. A firm Heginbotham had founded suffered a serious fire in 1970 before the Castle Mills building, owned by Heginbotham, had a fire in 1971. Further blazes followed at the Douglas Mills building, also owned by Heginbotham, in August and November 1977. In December that year there was a fire at the premises of Coronet Marketing, a subsidiary of Heginbotham’s Tebro Toys. A further fire at the Douglas Mills building occurred in June 1981."

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/15/bradford-fire-stafford-heginbotham-martin-fletcher

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Justice at long last for the 96 the dignity of the families despite the might of the establishment is inspiring.

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The police government & the media all colluded in a cover up of malpractice at Hillsborough.

None of these organisations can be trusted.

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Never been much of a 'footy' fan, but I originate from Nottm, am married to a 'Scouser' and have heard heated comments from all sides.

All I can say is that whatever (some) Liverpool fans did on that day was not exceptional, was most certainly predictable and could well have been done by fans of any club in similar circumstances. I'm also told that many were delayed on the Motorway. It is therefore clear that the faults in managing the situation lay entirely at the door of the Police, whose job it was to manage the situation.

There were opportunities to delay the kick off, and to inform waiting fans of this, to relieve the 'urgency'. They were not taken up.

The rest doesn't need repeating again.

The week after the tragedy, I did a Careers Guidance interview with the daughter of one of the victims. I was impressed by her dignity and fortitude.

The fans have been proven innocent.

The guilty have yet to be brought to account.

Sitting here just outside Liverpool, I'm really pleased to read that most sensible Nottm people can see through the mindless Tabloid hate to what really took place.

Col

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I don't blame the tabloid's as much as the police who fed them misinformation at the time. Going back in time we used to trust the police much more than now and their account was taken on face value.

At least the chief copper who tried to keep up the charade has now been suspended.

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28 Years on RIP the 96  

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Justice for the 96 R.I.P x 

 

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The youngest was 10, the eldest 67 and so many youngsters. They were all a tragic loss and it is only fitting that they should be remembered.

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Imagine the outrage, the force of the law, if 96 police lay dead on the floor, justice for the 96 

 

31 years ago today :(

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Ironic really, one of my workmates would have been there if I had not dragged him out of bed to do a bit of overtime at 'cappa pass ' in Hull!!

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