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Old Market Square , Nottingham c1960s

Old Nottingham City Transport Single Decker

King Edward Street, Nottingham 1976 Former site of Central Market after it moved into the Victoria Centre & was being used as temporary parking for the Nottingham City Transport buses Ph

A Notts & Derby trolleybus on route A1 passing Victoria Station. A photo where nothing remains.

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The Notts & Derby trolley bus went to Ripley the longest trolley bus route in the country.
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Am just trying to think where Awsworth is! should know, went through it everyday for about 3 years late 1990's That raises another chapter in the topic, the route of the Nottingham to Ripley Tram/Trolley Bus, far as I know. the tram ran down Radford Rd and the trolley Nottingham Rd, then Alpine Street etc, not sure if both used Dark Lane, know the tram did, then the old A610 route past the Three Ponds and on through Kimberley, but then where given the Awsworth and Eastwood remains sightings?

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The tram support post, I mentioned earlier in Awsworth is actually on park hill outside number 64, park hill is a continuation of station rd, I presume the tram went through Awsworth, into Ilkeston or Cotmanhay and then through Heanor to Ripley.

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The Ilkeston tram lines didn't connect with the Notts and Derbys Traction tram lines, they were actually different gauges. The trolley buses though did run to Cotmanhay. and Ilkeston. The Ilkeston system track was 3ft 6in as opposed to the normal 4ft 8 1/2 in. It ran from Cotmanhay through Ilkeston and on to Hallam Fields near the Stanton Ironworks. There was though a branch out to Ilkeston Junction station .

I haven't heard of trams or trolley buses running in Awsworth though.

There were plans to join all the local tram systems at one time, even the Derby system I have read somewhere.

A tram at the Ripley terminus

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Leaving Nottingham on it's way back to Ripley, what a ride it must have been too. Nottingham terminus?

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I think the "Ripley rattler" went from Ripley, through Heanor, Langley Mill, Eastwood and Kimberley on its way to town. No idea if the tram took the same route. My aunt will know - her husband worked for Midland General. I know she rode the rattler. I'll ask her when we are there!

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The ride quality of the trams must have been pretty dire - according to my mum, who could just remember them, they were reputed to have square wheels!

Neither trams nor trolleybuses went through Awsworth itself, but went along the main Eastwood Road, passing the top of Awsworth Lane, Kimberley. I seem to remember that only single deckers could negotiate the bridge under the railway near Awsworth station until the road was lowered in the early 1950s. After that the F2 was often a double decker, but the local C8 from Ilkeston to Watnall or Swingate remained single decker. The F2 from Ilkeston crossed Eastwood Road and climbed the fierce gradient of Maws Lane, then turned right down (I think) Hardy Street back into Kimberley.

The trolleybuses didn't go along Dark Lane. I definitely remember being on the swings at Stockhill Park and seeing them coming along Stockhill Lane and turning onto Nuthall Road opposite the Barleycorn. The other thing I recall is that the Notts & Derby trolleys made a distinct and rather intimidating hissing sound when on the move, unlike the NCT ones. I don't know whether they had a different type of collector shoe at the business end of the poles, or whether it was a feature of the particular traction motors fitted. Does anyone else remember this?

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Thought this subject might promote a lot of interest! always assumed tram went via old main road through Kimberley and Eastwood, talk of Awsworth threw me in thinking it detoured via Ilkeston, (made same mistake first time me and my mates still at school cycled to to camp site at Matlock, no maps or anything, no idea of route, but recalled when going rambling in Matlock area the bus to there went through Ilkeston, so come the old road turn at Awesworth Lane I took the lads same route, did not go down well!)

Back on topic I now believe trams and trolleys went via Eastwood to Langley Mill then up Heanor hill etc a thought reinforced via seeing an old photo once of a tram coming from Heanor on section of that road where later pub golden horn? is/was, ( at side of chapel/church that in 1960's onwards sold garden ponds etc

Talking to some one in pub tonight who reckoned tram went via Golden Valley, can't see it myself? reckon straight on, down the hill, sharp left hand bend then up under long gone railway line past pub on left, cricket ground on right then into Ripley Market Place?

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Great find Ray thanks, had always assumed that was the route, mentioned earlier the awsworth bit threw me, not today but will have to do a drive Ripley to Nottingham following the old route where possible (should imagine all roads still accessible cept for alterations like at Sun Inn Eastwood?) Have to do a little more research though? where for example was the crossing mentioned in the time table?

Had to laugh when reading the article at the fact that as the years went by the service got slower! right at the end it says

"On Mondays to Saturdays from 31st May 2011 the Rainbow 1 service from Ripley to Nottingham will be augmented by a new hourly fast bus to be known as Rapid 1. This will call at all stops between Ripley and Langley Mill (former tram depot) and then operate non-stop via the A610 bypassing Eastwood and Kimberley to Nottingham Victoria bus station. The journey time will be 52 minutes; just 10 minutes longer than the old A4."

The A4 service ran from 1949 to 1971, guess this is called progress?

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There is no real mystery with the Notts and Derby Traction tram route. It more or less is the same as the current Trent Barton R1 Ripley to Nottingham as far as Cinderhill. The tram way ran from Ripley to Cinderhill. From that point it leased the NCT lines to the city centre terminus.

On the subject of the different noise that N&D Trolley buses made as compared to NCT Trolleys, I do seem to remember that the N&D Trolleys had to have a special type of collector so it could deal with the frequent hard frosts that the up and down route was subject to in winter. Heanor at the top of the hill often has different weather conditions than Langley Mill does in the valley, far more freezing fogs that would effect the cables no doubt.

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Ashley, looking at an old map, on the road from Codnor to Loscoe there was a railway line going across the road, so I presume that is where Loscoe crossing was, there is also a station on the map Crosshill and Codnor station.

Looking at a modern map there is a small street, called station lane, this is between Codnor Denby lane and Waingroves road

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Anyone know locations of the Nottm/Ripley photos?

I know the following, (guess most will)

photo no. ending 067 King St/Queen St Nottingham

068 coming off Mansfield Rd approaching Gregory Blvd before turning up Sherwood Rise

069 on Valley Rd Basford between Nottingham Rd and Radford Rd, will turn right to go over Church St railway bridge

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05 is presumably at Langley Mill depot, and shows the old fleet (half-cabs) on the right and the new fleet (full-front) on the left. So this probably dates it to about 1946-47? Amazing that they should have re-equipped so shortly before abandonment, but I seem to think this was because Notts & Derby/Midland General were in the Balfour Beatty group who were part of the private electricity generating industry. When the industry was nationalised the implications of having to buy electricity at commercial rates stood the economics of trolleybus operation on their head.

516 shows a single decker with the destination Cotmanhay, so it is obviously somewhere in the "greater Ilkeston conurbation"(!) - between Cotmanhay and Hallam Fields. Any Il'son specialists?

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This could be the Loscoe crossing refered to in the timetable, as already said it is a level crossing for the Loscoe colliery railway line that eventually joins the Midland line at Langley Mill. The colliery closed in 1933.

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Re the crossing photo, trouble with me is I've no idea what these various area's are/were called, to me that photo reminds me of the old road to Matlock at Langley Mill, you turned right at The Midland Hotel and along a road with 2 or 3 ungated level crossings from pits to the canal or former Great Northern Railway

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Ashley this particular crossing was down the hill from Heanor heading towards Codnor and then Ripley, more or less across the road from the more recently closed Ormonde colliery at Loscoe.

The Cromford road you mention did have two railway crossings. The first was for the Smiths flower mill and the second was for Moorgreen Colliery both linking to the Midland line. The Moorgreen crossing was gated, I was held up there many times.I cant remember ever seeing the Smiths one used.

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Like I said don't really know the area, only recall those lines as most unfriendly towards motorbikes esp in the wet! never did see any trains on them, assumed GNR because of ex Midland being high up just along the road to Heanor, found a few pics of that bridge I recalled, several pic it was near Steam Mill Lane and known as Iron Bridge leading to Britain pit? several pics on picture the past, some with A1 bus on last day on trolley service. can't download as my photobucket gone wrong or rather the system has, seems I need different windows or different version of outlook express? (text is jumbled with download button} Only ever been to Heanor twice, both times in dark, once with Sovereign band, played at miners welfare, and once to some newspaper depot about 5am to pick up 10 million trader papers or seemed thus, said I'd deliver in a day! gave up at teatime and dumped the still over half to deliver back

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