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November 22nd 1968, The Beatles White Album was introduced to a puzzled world, part brilliant, part incomprehensible, as producer George Martin suggested, it could have been one of the greatest single albums ever made, but a double, which us poor, broke schoolkids couldn't afford anyway, was a bit much at the time.
On release, each copy was numbered, I think Lennon had 1, Macca 2, George 3 and Ringo 4, what value on one of those eh. They gave up after a few hundred thousand, I was lucky enough to get a fairly early numbered one, from Selectadisc too!! which is sitting in a box in the garage.
Those little plastic CD cases aren't the same as the real vinyl thing, mind you the original cover wasn't particularly exiting was it.
I still love it, I'm playing it now as a tribute, I gather that theres an anniversary programme on Radio 2 at seven tonight, it should be compulsory listening for those twerps on the X-Factor to hear real, if sometimes bizarre, talent for a change, that goes for the judges too.
Does it stir anyones memories.
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I don't know why the farmers are that bothered Bip, SE Norfolk is going to be abandoned to the sea, non of the defences are to be repaired and it will be inundated, I'm sure that the sea eagles will have a lovely time.
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A couple more of Vic in 1965, the Britannia had a chime whistle which I was allowed to let go at my hearts content after the driver let me in the cab.
Finally, for a change, Trowell Junction, winter 1964, taken off the footbridge.
I think that the images speak for themselves, apart from the main lines and the footbridge, everything has gone, note the old wooden trucks.
I notice that two of those, probably unbreaked trains are on the fast line, mind you passenger trains were generally few and far between.
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Rob
I've got a few B1's in various places, I'll sort through them, meanwhile I just happened to find this one taken at Colwick, 62 reckon, and yes, I'm the 'Erbert just about to climb in the cab.
It must be summer as I'm wearing shorts.
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You might be interested in these two, taken at the south end of Vic 20th April 1960.
Note the building being constructed on the bridge, I seem to remember it was a Boots Store, replacing the old Parliament Street station access.
Believe it or not, these were taken with a cheap plastic Brownie camera with a set shutter and aperture.
Not so good this one, 27th February 1962, I'd just had an Ilford Sporti 4 for Xmas and I always found the view finder a bit of a problem.
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Just to prove a point, I've been looking through my box of pictures and found this later copy of an earlier photo, you can see the difference in editing, I wonder how many of the old ones would turn out so well.
I'll not swamp the thread, just a few interesting ones you might like, I have so bloody many.
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I never knew that, strange height to put the floors at, whats the point, why did they do it I wonder.
Big trouble doing a conversion then, assuming it's a steel and RC building, having to take out alternate structural floors would be a real problem.
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Thanks for your comments, thanks to Beefsteak for helping me out, I don't think I'd ever have worked out the transfer from photobucket without his help, I've been trying for weeks.
We got over that side of Weekday Cross by climbing over a fence behind a chapel, it was all over grown with weeds, I don't know where we put our bikes, over the fence as well I suppose.
The camera was a Dixons Prinzflex 35mm, the shutter spring had gone and it was lashed together with an elastic band, it worked ok, but I'd previously dropped the light meter so I was guessing and the flash connection wouldn't work either. I also had my brothers Hanimex with me loaded with Kodak colour slide film, but to my dismay, my first shot on the film of the MN coming over the viaduct was cut off by Kodak and lost forever.
We had our pictures developed by a workmate of my fathers and he did some odd editing sometimes, I still have all the negatives and would love to do them all again, some I had done in an A4 format and they came out very well considering.
If you're interested I'll put up some more Vic pictures.
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The MN had disappeared by the time we cycled up to Vic, first B1 coupled on.
We tried to get to Carrington Street to see them come through but couldn't pedal fast enough.
The last steam semi fast to Marylebone, the highly polished 5 intended to haul the train had failed at Colwick.
Better pic of the last B/Y.
Leaving Vic for the last time
Passing an overgrown Hucknall Central
Annesley Tunnel, it was too dark for any more unfortunately, I must have had a problem with my flash for the later scenes returning from Rotherham.
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I thought I'd put the last through day at Vic in order, 3/09/66.
I took some colour shots but they are on slides.
We started out at Weekday Cross in the morning.
The youth sitting below me was my mate Fanny Hill, the former Lord Mayor, Sir Sid's grandson.
The special entering the tunnel pulled by 35030 Elder Dempster Lines.
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As you all know a very prominant building, something I used to stare at in wonder from the top deck of the Midland General bus when I was a kid.
I assume it was probably the first large 'high rise' building in the city and I'm sure that there is an identical one down near the docks in Bristol.
Thing is, I presume it isn't used anymore by Players, or is it. If not, are there plans to convert it into student flats and include it in the complex all around it, I reckon it's probably a Listed Building so it's unlikely to be demolished.
Are there any plans for it's future, has anything been said about it up there, I'm curious to know.
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Hopefully this will be a picture of the last northbound steam special, perhaps some of you recognise yourselves
The last southbound York-Bournemouth is the train on the left.
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Beefsteak, you're a genius, I'm overcome, thank you very much.
Small picture I know but there you go 5:25, saturday September 3rd 1966, the last Bournemouth-York.
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I'm sorry, what is the problem, I have my picture on photobucket, I load up the IMG code in the browser, press upload and it just keeps going on forever, in fact I've just been up to town and back and it was still going, what am I doing wrong.
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Notts Lad
Thanks for publishing the picture, I've rooted around in the loft and found mine.
What made we wonder was the blue and white brake next to the loco, I couldn't recall that, we travelled in it and the pictures confirm it was crimson.
According to my picture, taken within the station, yes, reporting number IN83, loco D1572, and the time on the clock is 17:25, there seem to be loads of people ( for Vic ) waiting for the train as well.
I've been battling with photobucket, but all that seems to happen is that this site keeps uploading forever with nothing happening, I'll go through it again.
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Wasn't BRS on Triumph Road next to the Players Bonded Warehouse, I may be imagining this but I'm sure a loading bay was still in situ when I cut down there a few months ago, probably student accomodation now.
I liked the pics of the Barton gas buses and cars, I bet the drivers still smoked then, a Park Drive flicked out the window could have had interesting results on a windy day.
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Didn't Marshalls take over the old Rolls Royce testing site at Balloon Woods in the 60's after it had been derelict for a few years. I don't know who's there now, but at least the place is preserved pretty much intact and still in use.
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Sorry Notts Lad, my pics are in the loft, I'll have a look when I have a moment.
Those side compartments could be really appallingly disgusting sometimes. I remember catching a train from Derby to Leeds, found a compartment to myself and noted a pile of girly mags in the corner, great, it was only when I settled down for a good read that I noticed the used condoms tucked down the seats, there must have been a good party going on, how they got away with it I don't know, not wanting to catch anything, I moved.
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I seem to remember going to Bournemouth on a 'steamy' in about 65 / 66 leaving from Nott'm Victoria, probably one of the last Bournemouth Belles pulled by steam??
Wow, lucky boy Beefsteak, that was a hell of an interesting trip, wierd cross country routes were always great, that was one of the best in those days I reckon.
Were you a bit of a spotter then, can you remember anything about it, there must have been some interesting engine changes.
It's funny how some holiday trips stick out in your mind so much but others don't.
We went to Blue Anchor Bay, Somerset, in 1956, I was 5, but I can remember the trip as if it was yesterday. I recall the ex LNER carriage we were in, the girls who had sneaked into our reserved compartment, the grimy Class 5 being replaced by gleaming County of Merioneth at Bristol, Ex works Brit Western Star sitting in the middle road, the last Star Class outside the sheds, my old man and uncle opening up a VERY large can of Long Life beer near Weston Super Mare with a tin opener and getting a bit pissed. The tin of Players Navy cut fags being unsealed and handed around ( I still have it). Waiting for the branch train at Taunton and crapping myself as the King hauled Torbay Express thundered through. The wierd combo of engines that pulled us to Blue Anchor, getting off the train to be surrounded by a bunch of kids with trolleys waiting to take our luggage to the campsite.
A few years ago I caught the West Somerset Railway train from Bishops Lydeard to Minehead. On arriving at Blue Anchor, nothing had changed, the train was the same, the station, the caravan site, the camping coaches in the sidings, it was wierd, I got very tearful, it was like a time machine but very real, and in colour too, I doubt whether many places exist today like that, 50 years on.
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Yes I can confirm the York - Bournemouth and return workings did indeed run until the very end of the Great Central's days - last service was Sept 3rd 1966. I was on the Vic as a 13 year old trainspotter that day and recall the 37 hauling the service south whilst we waited for the last day special to come back. Have lots of photos of the Vic and indeed this last day and when I work out how to add images I will post them!
We must have bumped into each other that day!!!
The last York-Bournemouth south was actually in the station at lunchtime when the double headed steam special, 2 B-1's, was about to leave, I have a picture that I'm desperately trying to upload on here showing the two B-1's side by side, the enthusiasts hanging over the platform and the tail of the Y-B on our platform, I'm sure it was a class 47 turn that day.
After the last steam semi fast left for Marylebone, decked out with a wreath, we caught the last Bournemouth-York northbound, it was definately a two tone green 47, I have a photo of it entering the platform next to the station clock and I hung out the window and took a picture as we entered the north Vic tunnel for the last time. I recall that it was the last northbound passenger working to Sheffield, I remember passing the steam special on it's way back, somewhere up towards Sheffield, and we came back on the last southbound working, quite late, which was the York-Banbury parcels, which indeed was hauled by a class 37.
Somewhere I have a Nottingham Victoria timetable poster from the early 60's, one of those things that were pasted all over the station. I used to have it hanging up opposite the toilet, good reading for the uninitiated.
I would love to see your piccies, I've put some of mine on photobucket, but AOL are blocking things, it's a problem I don't seem to be able to resolve at the moment.
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Rob
Sorry, back to Coronation Pacifics again.
They always were elusive beasts as far as I was concerned, was it me, or generally noticeable amongst other enthusiasts on here. Catch the train to Lincoln and you would inevitably be held up at the crossing as a Pacific went by. I know that the ECML had more Pacifics of different classes whereas the WCML tended to use Scots, Jubes and Patriots on their services as well.
Go on a trip to Crewe and they seemed to be in abundance, but anywhere else I went to, I hardly saw any.
Strangely enough, I went to Shrewsbury on a trip in 63 and saw some there, I have a lovely colour slide that my brother took of 'Sir William A Stanier' on one of our trips there, I can't imagine which services they operated, Swansea-Manchester perhaps, but they seemed to lurk in a siding at the north end of the station until they were needed, great sight, Semis one end of the station and Castles at the other. By then they were probably getting short of work, which is what prompted me to ressurect this, I just read that Semis were to be transferred on their retirement to the Southern in 64 to help out, why they thought that the Bullied Pacifics couldn't cope is a little strange, the plan fell through because the Staniers had clearance problems, pity, crimson Semis on the Bournemouth Belle would have looked the business.
I do recall a trip to Edge Hill Shed Liverpool circa 63 and seeing plenty there, and going round Willesdon shortly after when they had been transferred from Camden, funny, that day I took a pic of 'Scots Guardsman' looking all forlorn on the scrap line, I thought that the Scots outlived the Semis, but it must have been a close run thing.
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Rowing boats on the Trent, these days, sorry too risky, Health and Safety.
I remember sunday afternoon trips along the Trent by steamer in the 50's, they used to go all the way to Radcliffe and back, would I be right in thinking that there was a quay there that they would briefly moor up to so that people could stretch their legs before the journey back.
Colwick Hall used to be one of our summer sunday evening adventures, we would catch the trolleybus to it's terminus and walk along to the Hall, we used to sit outside and drink Apollo lemonade through a straw while father had a couple of pints of what may have been Home Ales. If we were brave, we would sneak into the ruined church. I remember going into the bar with him which seemed to be full of ornate plaster ceilings and cupboards with interwoven lattice work fronts, funny what you remember from when you were a kid.
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Hi ya Firbeck....YES that is me in the picture.....the Banjo is tuned to open 'c'......thas....gDGBD.....seems to be the best fer playing most things.....Nick as many 'tabs' off the net as you can and just keep tryin.....eventually itll sound S**t hot.
Thanks matey, I'll try that one, I have been consulting the Net, but it's always best to talk to someone who's had a bash for themselves. I enjoy experimenting with open tunings on my guitars, my missus is a classical stick in the wood and it drives her mad, mind you, it takes for ever and a day to open tune a 12 string, sounds amazing, but a real pain to get it back together again.
What sort of banjo have you got, mines an Ozark, I'm not sure how that rates in the world of banjos but it ain't bad.
Are you into blue grass then, we love it, always have done, we managed to get to see Allison Kraus and Union Station a couple of years ago, of all the bands I've seen over many years, including Zep, Floyd and the Stones, they were something else, Jerry Douglas is just beyond belief, I don't reckon that anyone in the world can touch him, what do you think.
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Whatever these people had done, hanging sounds a terrible indignity for the body after death, as was shown in the film of Pierrepoint, who was allegedly appalled with the treatment of the Nuremburg deceased. As it was put in the film, Pierrepoint stated that the people had paid for their crimes and what was left should be treated with respect.
Whether I read it in Pierrepoints biography or not, strange things are supposed to happen to the body post hanging, including instant rigor mortis in certain parts of the male anatomy, perhaps Dernley had a wierd perversion about this, who knows, whatever the facts, it must be an odd sort of person carrying out the job of this nature, yes, someone had to do, Pierrepoint came from a family of executioners and possibly felt he had to carry on the line, but it was a hell of a responsibility to put on to a single individual, they must have been a little strange to consider doing it.
In the days of the firing squad, I'm considering WW1 here, wasn't one member of the squad anonymously issued with a blank round to make them feel better about it, though they would know who it was in the end as the recoil wouldn't be so great. Having professional executioners was one thing, but ordering ordinary soldiers to do this must have been terrible for the individuals concerned, I'm sure I would have aimed a few feet from the white paper pinned over the victims hearts, I bet a lot of them did that.
The autopsy question is interesting, did they carry it out on every hung criminal then, what was the point, cause of death, broken neck vertabrae, pretty obvious isn't it, typical bloody form filling exercise that goes on today, refer to Harringey Council.
Long Gone Railways
in Pete's Nottingham Transport Forum
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Sorry matey, indeed it was on the last day, if you can blow up the picture of the two B1's together, you'll see 61131, the reporting number had for some reason been transferred down to the buffer beam, presumably as a prelude to putting it on the front of 61173, note also the time on the station clock as well as some of the characters lurking on the platform.
I missed the August special as I was swanning about on the beach in Jersey at the time, it all seems a long time ago now, can you believe that the Beatles had just brought out Revolver that month.
Incidentally, I was walking down Parliament Street towards Central Market and heard the chime whistle of 70054. I went down onto the platform and luckily had my camera, the driver let me into the cab as he backed down the station on to the train, again some better editing of the neg would show more of the scene.