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Well actually, I'm trying to renovate my house, as you can see, like me, it's old, decrepit, falling to bits, abandoned and probably has no future.
Firbeck Hall
If you want to find out more about this sad place, look on:-
http://www.savefirbeckhall.blogspot.co./20...rbeck-hall.html
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Bip
Thats the problem with society isn't it, with respect to yourself, you are suggesting that the answer to everything is to crawl off into a corner and pop pills and shove a few beers down your neck and leave it at that and pretend that the world is a happy place.
I agree, football isn't everyones cup of tea, but I recall a few months ago, an old local boxer died and received more accolades than this, which astonishes me.
Good for Beefsteak for bringing it to my attention, we have an uneasy relationship sometimes but I respect many of the postings on matters that he brings to our attention, and he does have a lot of other interests in life and things to say about them other than hunting dodgy women in local bars. Theres nothing wrong with that, I've done it myself, but we are all entitled to our own opinions on a variety of things.
If you want me to shut my gob and stop being critical, then I could remind you of your negative comments with regards to Beefsteaks plans for his aviation trip, if you ain't interested, which you clearly aren't, then leave him to it, I presume that as a long standing member it's all good fun between old pals, and thats the problem with this forum sometimes, newbies have a hard time of it, apart from the wonderful Fynger, he really has the right attitude, I wish we could all be like him and be as one with the universe.
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You raise an interesting point Ashley.
While sabotaging my own thread, I note that the gentleman refered to in the princely insult is an officer in the British Army.
If you were an experienced NCO under RPG and mortar fire by the Taleban in the Helmand Province, would you respect, trust and follow the orders of such an officer, I doubt it, I'd always be suspicious and probably be prepared to 'accidentally' shoot him myself rather than be put into what could be construed as a difficult situation where religious loyalties are challenged. Rightly or wrongly, after our constant brainwashing by the media, Queen and Country means nothing anymore to certain members of society, so why are these people being put into situations where they have the power of life and death over our army collegues, whether you agree with our foreign policy or not.
I doubt whether they are in control, the powers that be can't be so stupid as to put such people in command in a battle situation, h'mmmmm, I wonder, which raises the question, why is so much money being spent on training these people in the first place, a PC exercise no doubt, it's situations like this that show how divisive our country is, thats the way it is, having that smug, lying Etonian twat Cameron try to say otherwise for political gain just shows you what a difficult situation our society is in.
I hate these times, they are full of turmoil, suspicion, selfishness, political lies and a lack of loyalty and self belief, lets bring back those doyens of British Society, the Meccano Magazine and the Eagle comic, that will make everything right again, though I expect that they would have to be translated into Arabic to make them PC, I doubt whether Dan Dare would approve of that.
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Sometimes you people astonish me, the other day Beefsteak took the trouble to point out that one of our local heroes, Jack Wheeler had died. What was the response, apart from Beefsteak and myself, nothing.
Whether you are a Forest, Mansfield, Derby or bloody Mapperley Plains Sunday League Crap FC supporter, I thought that the passing of a really true great in the world of football deserved a better epitaph than being ignored on this forum.
Ok you are not all footie fans, but the man should be remembered with dignity, I don't live in the city of delights anymore but I would have thought that his passing was headline news in the Evening Post, perhaps not, Prince Privelages Paki comment is more newsworthy I presume.
Sod all that, hopefully Beefsteak will home in on to this and I have found the programme refered to in a previous thread. Happy memories matey.
The cover
The team sheet:-
The league standings etc at the time.
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There's one of them tag machines at the National Railway museum just as I remember it at Nottingham Midland, in fact I had a play on it when I was up there last Autumn
I hope you didn't mis-spell your name and had to scrounge another 6d.
Ashley
The last Coronation Class to be de-streamlined was City of Lancaster in May 1949, it couldn't have been anything to do with City of Leeds as that loco was never built with a streamlined casing.
I've seen some pictures of these streamliners in wartime and they were really filthy and neglected, and in common with many locos, painted black.
I've had a thought, when the railways were nationalised in 1948, different liveries were tried out including blue, it wouldn't surprise me if there were exhibitions around the country, especially in a big railway centre like Leeds, in order to gauge the reaction to the new colours.
Incidentally, noting the date, I wouldn't be surprised if the Duchess having it's casing re-applied under great secrecy at Tyseley will be revealed to the public on the 60th anniversary of the last one being stripped.
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For your information, trips round the hangar at the BBMF, the best place to see the aircraft, probably undergoing maintenance in March as well, is by guided tour only and it may be a good idea to book before hand.
The Lincolnshire Heritage Centre at East Kirkby, home of 'Just Jane', is having Lancaster taxi runs on Wednesday, March 25th between 11am and 1:30pm, probably the closest you'll get to an operating Lanc at that time of year, and for those with a healthy bank balance you can book a trip in it as well, £200:00 a time, you'd better get busking Fynger.
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I remember those old tag machines, you're right Beefsteak it was on the bridge behind the ticket hall at Midland.
They were red, had long legs and a big dial, you put your 6d? in via one of those sliding coin slots, set the dial on the top and punched the appropriate number or letter with a handle at the side. I'm sure you had a maximum number of digits you could emboss. When you had finished, you moved the handle backwards, the tag appeared in a chrome cup container out the front, that's when you found out your mistakes and had to nag for another 6d, they were quite common around stations all over the country, my old man would despair knowing he would be nagged for a 6d, which was probably quite expensive then.
There must be one preserved at a preserved railway somewhere.
Your recording booth at Bournemouth sounds intrigueing, I went there a lot in the 60's and 70's and can't remember it, if you find the recording can you publish it on Youtube please.
Perhaps I was at the wrong station:-
Ashley
LMS Streamlined Coronations were first painted blue and silver when they came out in the mid 30's, it was changed to red and gold in 1938 approx and their streamlined casings were removed in the war or just after. So I'm intrigued as to what you actually saw at Leeds, I'm not doubting that you saw something unusual, I've always been under the impression that I saw 60700, Gresleys 4-6-4 rebuild of his 'Hush Hush' loco at Grantham on my first visit there, perhaps it was my brother winding me up, it's certainly marked down in our combined volume from the time, but in retrospect it would have looked just like one of those big streaks to me, only being 5 or 6 at the time.
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Did anyone know the vicar there in the early 70's?, I got to know him when I was working at the Diocesian Architects, and without going into detail, lets just say it wasn't a good idea to go round to the vicarage on your own if you were a young bloke, as my collegue did once. He was a nice chap, but......a bit much in some respects.
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Midland to change at Leeds where once saw a streamlined ex LMS loco
At Leeds????????
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Limey
Perhaps this was one of yours!!
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These will upset you then Ashley, some tickets from a sadly defunct railway.
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Nice one Beefsteak.
Another trick was to flip the catch on the used ticket bin near the door when you got off and they would all fall out, great when it was a rear open platform doubledeck bus because they would all stream out down the road as it roared away from the stop, particularly interesting if Rocky was driving.
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A bit of a blurred picture, but an A4 in it's rightful place, Grantham 1958, heading north, in this case it's 60015 Quicksilver.
The original Avocet was a class 89 electric, only one was ever built and it had a chequered career, looks familiar doesn't it, fortunately it's been preserved at the Crewe Heritage Centre.
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I notice that nothing has been said on here about Trowell Moor Colliery, wouldn't this have had some connection with the sough you are talking about, it was situated very close to the alleged canalside exit near Coventry Lane.
I've mentioned this pit on here before but can't find out much about it's history or closure date, but the shafts and some of the buildings were still there in the early 60's.
Tottle Brook disappeared underground at the junction of Bilborough and Cockington roads. I believe it travels down the centre of Cockington road and under Firbeck Estate. There used to be dog boarding kennels between the railway and Fernwood Estate that were abandoned in the late 50's early 60's. The stream emerged briefly here in a massive culvert that you could walk into, it was a double tunnel, one above the other, all constructed out of concrete, it then dissapeared again until it emerged and fed the Highfields paddling pool.
I often wondered why such a big construction had been built there, could it have been something to do with a sough.
Another nice pic by the way Littlebro, I hope that they provided that postie with a bike, his nearest post office must have been in Wollaton Village in those days, it must have been a hell of a trek in bad weather.
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I just called into Tescoes and found this one, I wonder if it's on the shelves in Nottingham Tessies.
This is produced by one of our local breweries, all proceeds go to the 92 Squadron fund which is sitting up on the North Norfolk Railway awaiting some boiler repairs before it can run again, so a worthy cause.
Interestingly enough, when the company still had a human face, Greene King sponsored the restoration of a Southern Railway 4-6-0 at our local railway museum, with the proviso of course that it was called Greene King, fair enough. It's up on the North Yorks Moors Railway now, fortunately without it's nameplates.
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Probably tuppence worth on the Midland General B2 from Balloon Woods to Trowell Station so we could do a bit of train spotting when I was 7 or 8, I had permission from me mother too, as long as there were a gang of us.
It always seemed a long way at the time, nowadays it only takes minutes by car.
I can't remember the first train trip, probably to Grantham when I was about 11.
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Those Bell Punch ticket machines as I recall, had individual rolls for each value that were released by a downward click, it used to be fun when the higher denominations ran out and you ended up with a big line of 1d's.
The early Barton tickets were contained in a wooden rack held together with an elastic band, these were taken out and stamped in a different kind of machine that showed the date and fare stage.
They then went on to the more sophisticated type of machine as used by Midland General, Trent etc where everything was set with a dial on the top, we used to look forward to the end of the roll when a red stripe appeared.
East Midland had the same method at first with tickets in a rack which were just shoved in a crude stamper which made a hole on the appropriate fare stage until they were superceded by the roll type.
Some types were a bit strange, I don't recall what sort of machine produced these tickets from Felix.
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Can you remember those red boxes on the wall of the station booking offices selling platform tickets.
Looking at some of these oldies that I've found, they varied from 1d to 3d, some of them obviously come off a roll but some are individual card issues, which suggests that they were sold at the ticket window.
The blue Nottingham Vic ticket, a freebie, is a mystery, perhaps this was issued to postal staff, or people with business on the station, it's the only one of this type I have from stations all over the country.
It was never a problem getting a platform ticket to get on to Vic, but Midland was a different story, I seem to remember the machine being positioned on the bridge next to the ticket barrier and if you looked like a train spotter you were refused access.
The London Road High Level ticket is interesting, I bet that they never issued many of those.
Here's a selection:-
This one isn't local, but obviously significant.
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I thought you might be interested in these.
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When I put the Christmas stuff up in the loft, I came apon this old folder, my collection of bus tickets from when I was a kid, I thought you may be interested, the collection is vast including all the local bus companies, if there are any other local companies that you are interested in, I'll put them on here.
The first ticket on this first selection was supposedly from the original tram network.
The others are a general selection from the times, probably early 50's and 60's.
These are interesting, an over print from West bridgeford for some reason, can anyone shed any light on this.
I have so many local tickets in this folder, it would blow the network to publish them, well someone had to do it at the time, it was all good fun. Believe it or not, some of them were rescued from the ticket boxes from the trams at Crich, no-one had bothered to look in them, if they want them back, I'm quite happy to oblige.
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Littlebro
That photo was stunning, have you any more.
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There's also a pub somewhere in or around Wollaton that had a coal seam in it's cellar and Henry the 8th gave Royal license for the landlords to work the seam for coal for heating. I don't recall the name of the pub, maybe the Admiral Rodney??
I would suggest that it's the Admiral Rodney, the Home Ales sold in there could often taste a bit smokey.
It's terrible, the Rodney was my local for 10 years, but that was 30 years ago and I can't remember, or find out much, about it's history.
All I can recall was that it incorporated parts of the original manor house that was situated next to St Leonards Church, which was superceded by Wollaton Hall in 1588, and is the reason for the amount of dressed stone incorporated in it's structure. When it became an inn, I don't recall, looking at some of the buildings on the site, I would suggest that it would be in the 18th century. It would seem that Rodney, one of Nelsons contemporaries, was a friend of Lord Willoughby, often visited him, and that the pub was named after him, that would have been in the early part of the 19th century.
I wouldn't be surprised, considering that the site originally was occupied by a medieaval manor house, that a variety of cellars and tunnels were dug beneath that area, probably long forgotten and now capped off. The whole area was full of surface coal, we could dig it up in our garden at Park Crescent just off Trowell Road.
In the late 60's, I had to do a major project in conjunction with my Geography 'A' Level exam when I was at Bilborough Grammar and opted for an historical and geographic study comparing Wollaton and Bilborough. I subsequently spent many hours researching in the library archives in Shakespeare Street and found some fascinating information, particularly with regard to coal mining activities in the area. I know that I still have the project somewhere, but I can't recall where the hell it is, I suspect back in my mothers loft in Park Crescent, it's full of maps and interesting snippets of information. You'd love it, some of the stuff archived in the library was incredible, I'm sure its safe but where is it kept now.
I recall having to do an architectural project when I was at Trent Poly, I went into the library and they produced an original set of architectural plans for Bolsover Castle with the words ' Don't let on to Derby Council that we have these as they would die to get hold of them'. I wonder where they are now.
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When and why was Moor Farm demolished, it used to be a busy pub in the 70's, I remember John Holmes from Radio Nottingham doing his 'Progressive Music' thing up there on Sunday nights.
The only problem was staggering back down those dark lanes to Trowell Road after too many pints.
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Agreed, I've always thought that his talents shown at Burton would suit a top club, I always thought he'd end up in charge of Forest though, plenty of time for that I expect, knowing these fickle clubs.
Captured German gun
in pre 50's Nottingham
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The gun in the photograph is an 1896 designed 7.7cm light field gun built by Krupp. Due to it's inferior performance compared to the famous French 75, it was replaced in 1916 by a longer barrelled version known as the 7.7cm Feldkanone 16 or FK16.
I wonder what happened to it, a shame it never ended up in the Castle Museum, though the rumours flying around a few years ago about some of the stuff that the museum has in storage somewhere? makes you wonder.
The Australian VC system was introduced in 1991, the question had been debated for a while following the award of VC's to Aussie troops in the Vietnam War, an action which the UK took no visible part in. Canada followed suit in 1993 and New Zealand in 1999, the NZ Government awarding one of these to another member of the SAS for his bravery in Afghanistan in 2007, no Canadians have yet won an award despite being in the thick of the fighting in Afghanistan, although one VC has already been cast as an example. The Aussie and NZ VC's are from the usual UK source, ie Hancocks reputed two bronze Sevastavol cannons, the Canadian VC's are to be cast from a yet undisclosed source.