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I'm sure the batsman would enjoy that. With that comfort zone we'd never get a game finished though.
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I agree with you regarding Greg Chappell, Oztalgian. Those incidents, particularly the underarm one, were despicable. Just as an aside, although he was a very talented and natural player, if I had to have he or his brother Ian to bat and make runs to save my life I'd go for his perhaps less naturally gifted brother!
I also agree that such a selection should have a qualifier. Otherwise greats from different eras such as Bradman, Trumper, Hammond, Larwood and so on would have to be considered.
Choosing fast bowlers is an interesting one from all the 'greats'. I could agree with Imran Khan as an opening bowler - great cricketer though he was. (Nor as the captain incidentally). From my time I would certainly pick Dennis Lillee who was probably the most hostile I witnessed. He had a vast array of deliveries and the perfect fast bowler's temperament. To partner him I would probably go for Michael Holding who had the finest action I ever saw and was probably as quick as anyone - all with great control.
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Your opening statement, Chulla, slightly contradicts your original point that Larwood was not to be admired and that his behaviour was unacceptable
It appears though from what you say that your beef is with an aspect of cricket that has been there for 150 years but one which you personally cannot accept. That's fair enough and your choice of course. That doesn't make Harold Larwood unworthy of respect or admiration though.
The cricket ball is like a 'cannon ball' - so what would the solution be, to play with a tennis ball - or a beach ball - or ask the bowlers not to bowl so quickly? Stop playing cricket perhaps?
Any serious injury or fatality in any sporting forum is sad and regrettable but that is hardly relegated to the game of cricket alone. One fatality is one too many but the amount of deaths from incidents on a cricket pitch is infinitesimal compared to the millions of deliveries that have been served up for a century and a half. Percentage-wise there are probably far more people killed crossing the road.
In comparison, fully seven people died on the football pitch or directly afterwards from an incident on the pitch in 2015 alone. Shall we ban footballers from running around too much in case of a clash of heads or sustaining a heart attack? i apologise for being facetious but I'm sure you take the point.
Within reason, people should be allowed to take part in the sport they wish, accept the risks that the activity has without attempting to wrap the sport up in cotton wool until it is totally impotent. For me, there is too much of that in life generally.
I respect your point of view Chulla, even though I don't share it. We probably won't come together on this one so happy to agree to disagree.
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And of course, there's the classic - The Police, supported by The Cramps at Rushcliffe Leisure Centre!
Also '79 if I recall correctly.
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I can't imagine Sad Cafe being a rip-roaring night.
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Not sure I've seen one memorable gig I was at mentioned on this site much.
The Two Tone tour of 1979 landed at...wait for it...Kimberley Leisure Centre that year with The Selector, Madness and The Specials all on the same bill.
What a night!
After all these years, last week I finally bumped into somebody else that was at that gig and learned something new about it. Apparently, they had been due to play Sandpipers in the Lace Market but the venue was considered unsuitable as the low ceilings wouldn't allow the bands to jump around on stage! Well, that's the tale anyway.
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It is a very useful cut through I would agree, plenty of footfall. Agree that there is an amount of food overkill in that area (and in general around the city).
Perhaps 'Hoffs' concept of 'healthy' fast food was a fatally flawed one.
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It's strange, because sometimes you almost forget that you haven't actually met most of the people in question. You just read and write with them.
It's an intriguing thought - we know people on a different level through correspondence.
Not sure if you were present K but Christine came out to meet us on at least one occasion when we met in the Elizabethan Bar in the Bell Inn. She is a lovely person - well met indeed.
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I'll bow to your superior knowledge, Stu, But when I see that film of the batsman being struck on the head, to me I cannot see why people would celebrate this style of bowling - without any protection.
Take your point, Chulla, the incident with Australian Bert Oldfield was harrowing to watch. However, I don't think anyone here is celebrating this style of bowling as you say? What is being celebrated is a by all accounts supreme and legendary sportsman.
Harold Larwood throughout his whole career bowled this style - under strict orders - for one winter tour of Australia only. To judge him by that is unfair in my view. Your point about protection stands of course and batsmen are protected nowadays - but this was 84 years ago.
In those days, 'professionals' like Harold, who was a good honest pitman, were treated as serfs and second-class citizens by the 'gentlemen' (amateurs). There was no room for a point of view if you were a professional - you just did as you were told or you were out.
It's interesting to note that Bert always maintained to Harold that he should not blame himself and that they remained friends. I too would uphold the honour of this man because I think he was hard done to and used as a pawn by the English cricket authorities who did not stand by him after setting him up in that way.
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That's very true, k but at the the same time it's nice that folks have a concern for people they have met, either face to face or online and had considerable friendly dialogue with.
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A couple of other early Intercon gigs were Thin Lizzy (the original three-piece with Eric Bell on guitar) and the now infamous Gary Glitter.
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There was nothing clever, and certainly not sportsmanlike, about bowling a very fast delivery that if the batsman missed it would hit him high up and hurt him, probably seriously. Just because he bowled like this against the Australians, and just because he was a local chap does not make what Larwood did acceptable. Have you seen the film of him striking the batsman on the head - frightening to watch?
Sorry Chulla, respectfully cannot agree at all with that assessment. It was well documented that Harold Larwood's deliveries did not have to be particularly short in length for them to rear up off the pitch. This was because of his near-perfect action and the fact that he was arguably the fastest bowler of all time. Pace bowlers have been bowling deliveries that would reach a batsman at a 'high up' level since the time bowlers first graduated from bowling underarm.
A decade before, in 1921/22 Australia had a pair of fearsome bowlers, MacDonald and Gregory, who terrorised the English batsmen in that series. and so it has gone on in history and yes, been accepted for this game is not 'rounders'. For those and other reasons I think it is inappropriate for you to vilify a great local sporting hero and ordinary working class man with an immense talent as Larwood was.
Only in this country do we see that happen, for some reason. Even the Australians came to love Harold Larwood.
It should also be said that Harold was most certainly under orders to bowl leg theory at the Australian batsman and was unceremoniously dumped by the old boy MCC cricket authorities when the heat came on them for something their England captain and officials devised and were party to.
Go on the Nuncargate lad.
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Ian Botham was blessed with great natural ability but I often felt his bowling was all over the place. He'd often get people oit with rank bad deliveries, ironically
As a batsman he had great timing and immense power. He was also very brave ar rhe crease. What spoilt him I felt was thar believing his own publicity, he'd try to knock the skin off every single ball bowled at him. It seldom came off but when it did it was spectacular indeed. He had the patience of a three year-old!
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I do think he arguably has the greatest modern era wicket keeper-batsman there in Alan Knott. Perhaps Rod Marsh would have something to say about that though!
For pure wicket keeping ability alone, disregarding batting, then I'd say that Derbyshire's Bob Taylor was the very best I saw. Such a great clean technique - pretty well perfect.
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He was great, Lizzie but I would have put our own Richard Hadlee in there ahead of him I think.
So many great players...
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Just read this interesting article and can agree with the man in the middle's view on many of his choices. I suppose with these things you can choose a team from the people you've seen play in some form - or one by repute, reading and anecdote.
Here is Dickie's team. It's a very balanced one but there are one or two notable omissions for me possibly.
1. Sunil Gavaskar (India)
2. Barry Richards (South Africa)
3. Viv Richards (West Indies)
4. Greg Chappell (Australia)
5. Graeme Pollock (South Africa)
6. Garfield Sobers (West Indies)
7. Alan Knott (England)
8. Imran Khan (Pakistan) Captain
9. Shane Warne (Australia)
10. Dennis Lillee (Australia)
11. Lance Gibbs (West Indies)
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'You're a right scunner'.
You might not hear that one in Nottingham though...
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I reckon he could look after himself! He told me a few stories about gangs and blades in the Glasgow dancehalls of his youth.
Saw some 'impressive' weapons in and out of the football in Glasgow when I used to spend my summers there in the seventies. Peak period for young guys carrying full length swords down their trouser leg. Best one though was a bike chain with old style razor blades attached to it.
*Ahem* Back to the football!
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No offence here my good friends!!
I find here in Catholic village..some of the most meanest ,begrudging people are welded to the alter here.
None taken, Ian...and as a Catholic I hope you won't think that of me if we should get to meet for a pint!
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In Canada, ice hockey players shoot left approximately 70-odd per cent of the time. It's figured that the dominant hand - most often the right - is best used as the guiding hand at the top of the stick.
I suppose when you think about that it indicates that any side-on game has some strains of artificiality about it. If you pick a bat, club or stick up a certain way for the first time it's likely you'll stay with that. There is a tendency for us lefties to have a 'right foot forward' stance i.e. southpaw though - and the opposite for 'righties'. You can even see this when people use a yard brush or other mundane stuff.
Us left-handed/footed folk tend to be good sportsman because we're more unusual to pay against. A left-handed bowler comes at you with quite a different line and trajectory. It's just one of the reasons there have been a disproportionate amount of great ones - same for batters and tennis players.
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That was the game where the Man Utd fans were threatening to break into the changing room after the game.
Apparently, Sir Jimmy had 'Jackson's' scalpel ready in hand in there to set about 'em. He'd be remembering the Glasgow razor gangs of his youth.
They were lucky not to get 'chibbed' by Jimmy!
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I wonder if she would consider coming out to see us?
If you manage to speak to her please tell her I'd love to see her again. Such a kind-hearted person.
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Not sure if there was one called 'The Flying Bedstead, plese correct me if i'm wrong.
The Flying Bedstead was in Hucknall. Met it's demise in 2014.
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Yes, the West Indies players did 'languid' better than most. Clive Lloyd always reminded me of a big cat - especially when athletically patrolling the covers where he was phenomenal. Viv Richards was almost impossibly arrogant in style from the very beginning but what a player - just incredible.
Just thinking about laid back English players now. Tom Graveney was just before me so I'm going on repute. I know he was a very elegant player from everything I've read. David Gower could be a brilliant stroke maker but I never think he produced as much as his enormous natural ability promised. When he was 'on' though that bat looked like a magic wand in his hands. He could get himself out at any old time though.
I'll need to think of a couple of other English examples!
Trinity Square Over The Years
in Web Sites about old Nottingham
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Sat down for fish and chips in there recently. Good old standby and can report very good still!
It has a lot of competition around there generally but there are few chip shops in town these days, Struggle to think of them. St James Street, not sure if the other Forman Street one is now open? Where are the others?