Merthyr Imp
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Steam-driven robots, etc, etc:
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But it wasn't long before my next visit to Meadow Lane - early in the 1989/90 season. Neil Warnock still the manager, and still in Division Three, it was Notts 0 Reading 0 in front of a crowd of around 4,600.
In the light of recent events it's interesting to read the following letter - and the note at the top of it - which was printed in the programme:
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Apart from fish every Friday, dinners were ok at HPGS... I used to pride myself on being able to sweet talk the head dinner lady - Mrs Edis? - into giving me seconds of pudding.
The pilchards with salad on Fridays were the worst. An alternative to fish we got sometimes, I remember, was grated cheese with chips and salad.
It was Mrs Sales ('Ma' Sales) in my day.
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Klopp - out!
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Thanks, I haven't got many more to come though.
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Here's a photo of an F5 parked at the then-fairly new Mount Street bus station. Probably taken in 1972 or 1973.
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Next visit to Meadow Lane was February 25th 1989. Notts were still in Division 3, at the time just above the relegation zone, although this 1-0 win over Bristol Rovers (Paul Barnes the scorer) would have eased matters a little, and by now Neil Warnock was manager. Attendance was just over 5,000. Some managers-to-be in both teams.
Looking at the piece on the Noticeboard page (something that appeared in many football programmes at the time) it's interesting to be reminded of how close we came to being forced to have an identity card in order to go to a football match. Thankfully it didn't happen.
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The blue buses to Wollaton from Mount Street would have been Midland General (or Notts & Derby).
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Yes - that's the place, although I've not been up that way for over 30 years and found then it had all been demolished. The area just partly in picture on the right used to be waste ground with some garages, wo that looks to have been altered.
Immediately behind the camera in both photos is the steep part of Hood Street - must be at least 1 in 10 or more uphill.
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Onward Christian Soldiers gets my vote.
Is this the Eurovision Hymn Contest?
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Well, I've waited in vain for anyone to say they remember the shop on the corner of Marshall Street and Hood Street in Sherwood so here's a few memories from someone who lived in a corner shop.
My mother and I moved there in 1961 and left in 1967 after the long hours got too much for her, plus I had started work and was bringing in a bit of money (£6 10s 6d a week initially).
Opening hours were 9am to 8pm on weekdays. I forget what time we closed on Saturdays, plus it was 10am to 4pm on Sundays (had to get used to a late dinner). Initially my mother used to close from 2pm to 5pm on Mondays, but then that spread to Tuesdays as well, and eventually, partly due to needing the rest and partly due to there being so few customers on weekday afternoons she also closed from 2pm to 4pm on Wednesdays to Fridays.
The thing about staying open until 8pm was that in those days supermarkets and so on used to close around 5.30pm or so, and it was in the evenings that a lot of the trade was done.
I can't remember everything we used to sell, but here's a good few of the items:
Sweets (the jars can be seen in the photo), also including an assortment of 1d and other items for children, e.g. liquorice, chews, aniseed balls (4 for a penny), shrimps, fried eggs, Cadbury's chocolate in the 1d, 2d and 3d sizes as well as the 6d (we also sold all the usual Mars, Kit-Kat, etc, etc), sweet cigarettes, lucky bags. Also small boxes of chocolates, e.g. Dairy Box.
Initially we sold ice cream, but we stopped because my mother complained the number of ice creams that started to come around (Mr. Whippy, Mr. Softee, etc) had taken the trade away.
Potatoes and onions (loose), tinned goods of all kinds, soap powder, meat and fish paste - I think it was St. Ivel that were the small 6d jars, cheese spread (Primula), cigarettes and tobacco.
Bread and cakes - we used to have regular orders from people. We were supplied by three vans that used to come around every day - Turner's (Sunblest), Wonderloaf and Lander's.
Crisps - no multi-packs in those days. Smith's were the standard at 4d a packet, and were delivered to us in square tins. Then Golden Wonder came on the scene, and not only undercut Smith's by selling for 3d but also were ready salted, plus they also made other flavours. They were also revolutionary in supplying the packets in cardboard boxes.
Milk - just ordinary, although we'd occasionally stock some gold top, plus we had a regular order for sterilised (came in a different=shaped bottle with a red metal cap).
Bottles of pop (3d back on the bottle)- I forget the brand now, but we stocked lemonade, cream soda, orangeade, dandelion & burdock and limeade. Also bottles of Tizer and Lucozade.
Pre-packed bacon, butter, margarine, loose cheese (although only cheddar - Cow & Gate) and potted meat which had to be scooped out of the container and weighed out in greaseproof paper.
Bundles of firewood, the stock of which was kept in the cellar, and firelighters.
I'm sure I've left a lot out - anything you want just ask.
This photo (which has appeared elsewhere on this forum in the past) was taken in the earlier years we were there when we were still selling ice cream, plus it shows the old street light which was replaced by the new lighting midway through the period.
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In view of what caftan has posted since I wrote my piece, maybe it was acquired by NCT from Nottingham Health & Welfare for the purpose he gives and was just given a number by putting a 6 in front of its previous 64. No doubt it had been disposed of before the real no. 664 appeared on the scene in 1978.
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An Internet search throws up the information that it was was one of four similar vehicles bought new in 1971 by an organisation called 'Nottingham Health & Welfare'. Does that mean anything to anyone?
It was a Bedford with 20-seat bodywork by Willowbrook of Loughborough and when new was fleet no. 64 with the above operator rather than 664.
NCT's 664 was an Atlantean, new in 1978 and was the first no. 664 in the fleet, so whether the vehicle shown here was acquired and given for some reason given the number 664 after the Atlantean was withdrawn I don't know (it being after I'd lost interest in such things).
Maybe StephenFord will come along and enlighten us.
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With regards to Revie, he set English footy back 50 years. Dire, monotonous, defensive, boring, tedious, violent, antagonistic.
But otherwise OK?
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Well done to the Filberts.
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Thanks, Stephen, yes I think it would have been the English Bridge. I doubt it was still operated by Mainwaring at that time though. I would once have had a record of the details, but all I've got now are the photos. However, as I've only ever visited Shrewsbury for football matches that would date the photo to November 1974.
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Wasn't there an old Notts County player called Daft? Maybe she was related.
Of course Notts have had one or daft players in their time, but that's another story.
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Merthyr Imp, one of the things that stands out in your programmes is all the writing on them. It's something that I'd never do myself.
Yes - some of them would be worth a bit of money otherwise. But it's something I've always done and still do it - I'm too old to change now!
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Two years after my last visit I went along to Meadow Lane at the start of the 1987/88 season with Notts still in the Third Division.
New Chairman was Derek Pavis and new manager was John Barnwell. Gary Birtles and Gary Mills had also recently joined from Forest, with Birtles scoring twice in what must have been an entertaining 4-4 draw against Wigan Athletic (the other two goals were from Geoff Pike). Attendance was 6,344. In the Wigan side was Paul Jewell who later managed them into the Premier League.
Advertising in the centre pages were the Grand Central Diner occupying the former London Road High Level station, and I don't know what became of PaperPak, but an office supply company that doesn't know how to spell 'stationery' doesn't inspire much confidence in it.
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Buses had them too. This Bedford was photographed in Shrewsbury in the mid-1970s, but I don't have a note of who it belonged to.
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There's quite a bit about Fred Clements here:
https://skegness.wordpress.com/2010/06/06/fred-clements-biography/
Evidently a well-known producer of pantomimes at the time.
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The first photo appears in the book 'Nottingham City Transport' by F. P. Groves and rightly or wrongly the caption states:
'...a proud crew pose in front of their vehicle in Wollaton Street in 1927 - ...a double decker Dennis with a 50-seat body built by Short Bros. of Rochester, fitted with solid tyres as pneumatics were not yet standard for double-deck buses. The bus is on service H to Hucknall.'
The other photo is of Barton vehicle no. 24. Built in 1925 it was a Lancia, with chassis extended by Barton and the addition of a third axle allowing room for 39 seats.
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The picture of the bus in Long Eaton appears in the book 'Barton Part One - 1908-1949' by Alan Oxley, published by Transport Publishing Company in 1983.
The caption to it includes:
'During 1925 Strachan & Brown bodied no. 27, a Morris 1-ton lorry chassis, extended to allow 24 seated passengers and incorporating the Barton patented third axle. It is seen in operation on a Saturday/Sunday only Spinney Road, Long Eaton to Old Sawley service...It is turning out of College Street into Derby Road, Long Eaton'
The photograph is credited to the Barton Transport Ltd collection.
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I'm going to Bognor
in Owt' Abaaht Nowt !
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Unlike Skeggy they've still got Butlin's in Bognor.