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On 10/14/2016 at 10:15 AM, radfordred said:
Have they found anything he did not own in Nottingham?
lol not really hehe
If I remember the story of how he became rich I think he started with either a chip shop or renting gambleing machines to buisness like chip shops pubs sorry iam trying to remember what i was told about George Atkins was 30 years ago i was told about him from my father who knew him well.
I think he then went into property buying and leasing out comercial property to other buisness men.
I do remember he did own the casino before he sold it to Reo Stakis that I rememeber 100%
If I remember correctly I heard he owned some or all the land around Nottingham railway station not sure how he acquired it but If I remember he owns the land and some is leased to Nottingham railway not 100% sure if that info is correct but I know he has some interest in it.
this should help seems accurate http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/business/BusinessRichList/article164284.ece
Says he started with a betting shop but I am sure there is more to it than that shall we say i used to know a lot of card games that used to go on around the city not strictly kosha
Not that i am implying he was involved There are other who I have met who are not that far behind him far as wealth is concerned.
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There used to be a sign above the doors of the Ritzy/Palias nightclub. One of my friends who was head door man there told me too look up and read what it says I doubt most people ever knew it was there
(Through these doors are some of the most beutiful girls in the country)
I think thats right.
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I used to love going to goose fair.
Always went with freinds. I remember when I was about 17 a freind of mine who used to work for one of the guys who ran one of the the waltzers rides. He lived in Nottingham but was very well know around the city centre and knew alot of the guys who owned rides that came to goose fair.
He used to do some crazy things with those waltzers like doing handstands between the waltzer cars while it was runing ful speed.
He favorite game was kicking the back of the walzter usually with girls in the car to make it spin faster. Oh boy did he scare those poor girls XD
You dont see the ride jockeys who used to do things on rides like that anymore as elf & safety would shut them down.
He invited me and about 6 of my freinds to go on the first night and told us to stay late so we did they used to do cheap night first night.
hehe he went round with us and told us to get on just about every ride as they were testing we had spent all our money by about 10pm
From about 11 until 1 am we must have been on 10 rides for free. it used to close by 12am but still a few people around at 1 am and we all got free rides great times
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On 10/12/2016 at 1:58 PM, radfordred said:
This years Goose Fair was the first time in history that the locals where allowed to use there own guns & ammunition on the shoot them up stalls .............. fact!
What could possably go wrong there.
I wonder if any one turned up trying to be smart with a 12 gauge shot gun
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I will tell you there Problem with the redevelopment of Trinity square is all those new buildidngs were desighned for big companys not the small buisness that built Nottingham.
I will tell you all a real shocking secret.
The rent is stupid high were talking only huge companys can afford example were poundworld is next to Waitrose the yearly rent if I remember i asked the estate agent who was advertiseing it was between £150 000 and £250 000 a year I know as I asked about it for a cafe.
I think if I remember was £150 000 plus rent £100 000 buisness rates. a year
Also the leases for thease buildings have service charges simlar to full repairing and insuring lease that means the roof leaks you pay on top of that you have to pay their buildings insurance that is not cheap were talking £10 000's a year
It gets worse usally with all buisness leases you are responsable for the rent even if you go bust you usally have a get out clause after about 5/10 yearsas a typicall lease is around 15 years and unless you can sell up and pass the buisness to someome else or use the get out clause guess what yup you still have to pay the rent.
Hay gets even worse when if you sell your buisness as by now you ready for a heart attack as a 80 hour week is normal for small buisness men
The person you sell the buisness too goes bust or decides not to pay the rent guess who pays yup you do lmao win win win for the big companys.
Yes my heart stopped I could not believe the rent was so high that and the buisness rates no way can any small buisness can afford even half that its plain greed.
The city centre developments around the UK as a whole are built by investment companys for companys all makes them rich and the country poor.
It is delibarate pushing the small buisness out for the sake of greedy companys and no it does not benefit the comunity small buisness create more wealth per capita and jobs as the money goes back into other local buisness while the companys just hoover up the cash and poof its gone out of the local comuninty.
So that is why Trinty square has changed.
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On 7/4/2016 at 0:22 AM, iandawson said:
Weren't Nottm traffic lights controlled from beneath the car park?
Yes all the traffic lights and street lights and the first town centre cctv were all controlled from under Trinity Square car park.
There was a set of stairs near the 3 phone boxes that were there leading down under the top end of the car park.
I used to see alot of comeings and goings mostly traffic wardens and a few bus drivers I think they went down there just to hang out for a cup of tea lol.
I knew a lot of trffic wardens they used to sneak down the back alley of the Moulin Rouge to get into the kitchen for a cup tea many times I walked into the kitchen there would be as many as 6/7 traffic wardens bus drivers the odd taxi driver yapping away shhh dont tell anyone lol I knew alot of them really were nice guys skivers but nice heheI
In those days the traffic wardens didnt bother motorist so much only if you were doing something dumb like parking in the middle of the road I never saw any of them handing out tickets they would just tell you to move if you doing something silly. Many times they let me off parking on double yellows hehe
Trinity square was like a meeting place for them as central police station was just around the corner. didnt hurt to grease a few palms in those days
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On 12/8/2009 at 2:43 PM, mick2me said:
Planners under fire from council's own leader (Nottingham Evening Post)
MULTI-MILLION pound redevelopment in Nottingham's Trinity Square has been condemned – by the city council's own leader.Coun Jon Collins is so angry he has publicly condemned the design of the public space.
"This is one of the worst pieces of urban design I have seen in the city in 20 years as a councillor," he said.
HeHe I actually saw the real life plans as My father and other local buisness men were invited too see the plans at the planning office in the council building in market square.I went with him too see the plans they were not very detailed no 3D mock up just the plans all in colour but difficult too tell exactly what they were on about. The guy who invited us was not very forth comeing on what inpact it would have. I could tell they were going through with it no matter if anyone had an objection .
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On 9/22/2016 at 5:43 PM, GJK said:
If I remember right Bob Patchett's shop had maxim on the signage that read,
The sense of being well dressed gives one a feeling of inner tranquillity.
I may have sense/feeling the wrong way around,does anyone remember this? I have always found this maxim to be true.
You would think I would remember his sign I rememeber it was green with I think gold writing I saw it hundreds of times but cant remember exactly just that the windows were wooden and it was dark inside and smelled like a proper tailors my father had 3/4 suits made by Bob Patchett.
Most of the local buisness men and judges barristers and offcials went there during the 1970's and 1980's.
I really do miss the times and the old Nottingham I was very lucky and privalidged to have been a part of the town centre and to have met so many of the city centre people that few even knew existed its now more of a metropolis now
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I hate getting older especially with my experince of the town centre pitty I cant upload my brain directly I am sure people would find The info I have very interesting .lol. No thats not an offer for disection thanks hehe. I just remembed the name of the guy who opened the amusement arcade in Trinity square
(Barry Nobel) Amusments.
My father met him in the casino a few times where all the wealthy gambels hung out was near the Fountain pub on Bridelsmith gate. as that was the only legal (yes there were ilegal card games gambeling hehe) casino in the city in the 1980's before the other 2 casinos in Nottingham opened. 1 is on maid marrion way it was opened by Reo Stakis he also owend the one on Bridelsmith gate its closed down now I think other one is Alea casino on upper Parliment street. but I dont think Reo Stakis was involved with that one I think its a diffrent company anyway Reo Stakis died in 2001 My father was upset as he knew Reo Stakis very well. From what I remember being told Barry Nobel was a ruthless buisness man very rude and full of himself made millions opening amusment arcades with the focus on gambeling machines not gameing machines Iam sure that is 100% correct knew I had it in the old gray cells some where
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https://www.flickr.com/photos/25344376@N03/2389260585
Hope that dont break any terms and conditions thats the pot bellied teacher who`s wife died and it sent him off the rails poor guy I heard him speaking to someone you could tell he was very well spoken very deep voice but well spoken.
Was another tramp tall guy dark hair very tall cant find a pic of him.
Both were proberbly the most well known around town as they were both in prietty bad state poor guys.
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On 6/12/2008 at 1:15 PM, mariag said:
Does anyone remember the tramps of this time?
There was one who had a long 'white' beard , a huge pot belly [always exposed] And the other clearly wanted to be a woman, quite tall and slim with straggly long hair. I used to see the 'santa' one all the time over a long period and then he just dissappeared.
I posted somewhere in the forums on a simalar topic but I cant remember where If I am right sounds like the one I mentioned this guy
Oh apparently i cant upload the image so if anyone knows how or where i can upload it for viewing let me know
only thing i can suggest is type in google ( nottingham tramps 1980s) images should be the first image
I was told by a police constable that he was a teacher his wife died and it sent him crazy so he ended up a tramp.
I was also told he died with over 800 000 in the bank I think he had a son who did not want anything to do with him.
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Hi from what I remember not sure exactly memory not so great nowadys hehe . Yes I think bob patcett became the opticians the frontage was alot different when it was bobs. Bobs son I think he may still be running his fathers buisness they moved to chappel bar I think but that was 2004 if I remember rightly not sure if he is still there I do remember my father telling me it was bob`s son and it was a tailors I think it was chappel bar or somewhere near there.
As for the amusement arcade From what i think I remember my father told me it was either a cafe or small resturant but I think he said cafe. My father wanted to buy it, to expand the Moulin Rouge as its not very big its long but narrow building but the then owner of the Moulin Rouge Andrew Petsas poured water over the idea so it was empty for a short while.
Then an American amusment owner I forgot his name ill update when I remember his name bought it as part of his global empire.
The day it opened it was opened by Diana Dors the actress.who cut the ribbon. She then came into the Moulin Rouge for unschedueld dinner she signed a book she was selling I still have it.
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On 3/23/2009 at 10:43 AM, poohbear said:
I remember the church...and the Mechanics Institute where I used to play snooker.Anyone remember Bob Patchett the tailor on the town side of the square?...Cracking name for a tailor eh??
I remember Bob Patchett as it was just a couple of doors up from the Moulin Rouge My father had a few suits tailored by him he used to eat sometimes in the Moulin Rouge
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I used to know a few bouncers around the clubs apperently 2 main people who were employing bouncers for hire were Richard and Chris Bailey known locally as the Bailey brothers. They were also had something to do with the Peggers inn in sneighton I think if I remember they took over the Peggers Inn.
A freind of mine was DJ there not for long though.
A freind of mine used to manage the doors at Ritzy/ palias nightclub by the name of Mike last I saw him was around 2003.
Others bouncers there was 2 well known characters Lenny and Ticky if I remember correctly I saw Lenny working the doors at the Fountain opposite the dog and bear.
I did bump into a lady by the name of Maz she told me she also was involved in door security around Nottingham and even worked doors herself she lives in Mansfield.
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My Father was a freind of one of the managers at Raleigh. He even personally deliverd my first raceing bike for my 13th birthday.
I remember he even added a air horn for it I was so excited especially when I heard a manager had personally deliverd it .
I cant remember which manager it was but I know he was a very inportant man at Raleigh.
It is called a Raleigh Equipe http://tomlovedthebike.org/html/mid_1980s.html
I still have it. its in good condition for its age allthough it is too small for me to ride havent really ridden a bike since I got my driving licence hehe
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On 1/21/2014 at 9:28 AM, David Nimrod said:
Somewhere in Nottingham... it was too long ago for me to remember, but I'm sure it was the mid to late 1980's...
I could be wrong but looks familar i think it was near wells road area of sanit anns
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Oscars small night club think it was on eaither james street or friar lane i could be wrong as i was usally wasted on the way lol was cool I rember one of the djs there jhon he used to do a cool mix of dollar /oh lamour and kenny kens can you dance odd mix but sounded great as it was a small club but powerfull sound system
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Heatwave radio was based mostly in the flats in Radford but they kept getting raided and the ariel taken down lmao I cant say who was the main man runing it lets just say he had dredlocks and was a big geezer with a large gang well known to those who have met him including me
They had to move a few time because of the council seizing equipment.
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On 4/6/2011 at 9:55 AM, taxi ray said:
There is a moulin rouge chip shop, on trinity square, there is some seating, but you would not call it a restaurant, it has been there for at least 25 years.
The Moulin Rouge was indeed one of the most popular french style Restuarnts in Nottingham during the 1970`s and changed hands From Mr Andrew Petsas who used to be involved in the little jhon restaurant he bought it dirt cheap from a Mr chirstagi who set up the Moulin Rouge and 2 other french style restaurants,he sold the buisness and lease to the next owner around 1980 until 1984 when he had no choice but turn it into a fish and chip shop as trade was down the main custom was from Judges baristers and when they moved the court buildings and chambers to other side of town as they spent big, so buisness went down. He owned it until 2004 when he was stitched up over the lease by Jacob Sergi current owner who was convicted of beating a customer up and Andrew Petsas daughter Helen Petsas who took over the ownership of the freehold when Andrew Petsas died.
All very gangster and true matter of public record so no liabel action can be infered.
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While I am at it Nottingham centre is mostly where I grew up.
I new most of the local characters I miss the sound of oh I forgot his name he used to sell Evning post paper outside the Victoria centre could not mistake his voice he was a short guy elderly about 70+ I think he was at least 80 when he dissapeard I remmeber his call (Post evening Post he used to shout he would come into the Moulin Rouge to count his takings funny chap would not let anyone near his money he would go mad if you went near him
Another chracter i remember there was a tramp he was fat bald on top with long blondish matted hair and the usual smell.
I asked about him as he was very well know apperently he was a married a teacher his wife left him and he just went downhill well he died cant remmeber exactly when but I heard from a policeman who told my father when he died he had around 800 000 in the bank.
There was a guy who you may have seen walking around the town inn the 1980s in the town centre with a ghetto blaster on his shoulder always full volume his name was Mario.
I used to know a lot of door men so never paid to get into certain clubs hehe.
ok inportant people from Nottingham I have met George Atkins he used to own the casino opposite the the dog and bear pub.
He sold it to a greek Reo Stakis who was the richest man in the UK at that time he also owned Stakis victoria hotel the one that is ajoined to the victoria centre on milton street he was a freind of my fathers
Another person who was a freind of my fathers was Frank Sytner who owns BMW franchise Sytner.
I remember a very nice chap Mr Kirk who was part of the town centre gang of wealthy men who used to eat in the MoulinRouge when it was a proper resturant there would be Frank Sytner , Gordan who used to own Gordan motor cars near where Kfc burger king is now outskirts of townand Mr kirk who owned one of the largest lace factorys in the lace market cant remember the others names one was a Judge and there was Dennis who was the manager at one of the local paint wallpaper shops.
I remember when i was young a lot of famous people used to eat there from the theatre royal.I was there one day and jhon Pertwee was eating near the window where there chip friers are now was a long bench lounge seating. there was a curtain he was eating and some young girls were outside my father went out to ask them to move on and stop staring at cutomers they told him they wanted Dr who`s autograph he had no idea it was him was funny as you could not miss his hair lol.
I myself have served fish an d chips to Dirty den from eastenders he used to come in when he was filming eastenders.
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Hi and thanks for the warm welcome if you have any questions about trinity square indeed most of the town centre from around 1980 until 1995 Ill have a dig around in the old gray cells I may have the answer.
couple of little know facts about trinity square from the old days
Under the carpark there was on the lower floor private parking for monthly paid members I remmber one of the people who parked next to my fathers car was the events manager for the theatre royal he drove an old rolls royce he walked with a caine.
Also the top end of the carpark opposite the old evening post buildng you may have noticed steps leading down underground just up from the 3 phone boxs that were there down those steps was a door you would most likely think they were for car park attendents quaters or a janitor hehe nope.
Down those steps were in fact the control room for the town centre traffic lights street lighting and the early cctv cameras
Oh one last thing the carpark was built on top of the church holy trinty it was called. I do not believe in ghost or gouls or hocus pocus stuff but and this is only time I have experienced something like this I remmeber i was upstairs in the moulin rouge with some freinds and 2 of the staff who were boerd and were waiting till late to catch a lift home there was cctc upstairs so you could see downstairs we all heard foot steps exactly like someone coming up the stairs we all new that sound could not mistake it for anything else. So one of my freinds opened the door expecting too see either my father or one of the staff coming up as it was late and was past closing time so just cleaning and prep for next day was being done.
I swear it was loud and clear foot steps even the same shaking of the old stairs through the walls.
No one was there we were all freaked out thinking wtf so we wsitched the tv over to get the cctv feed eveyone was down stairs busy cleaning and as it was 2 flights of stairs up to the 1st floor no way anyone could have sneaked back down so fast. I will never forget that night spooky.
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Hello I am new here anything you want to know about Trinity Square I know it very well My father used to own the Moulin Rouge and he knew alll the greeks in Nottingham
Trinity Square Over The Years
in Web Sites about old Nottingham
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Thanks yes you are correct that is why I did say i was not implying he was involved in any card games
and I did say "I myself" used to know of card games that went on around Nottingham which if you put 2+2 together = customers for legalised gambeling establishments
(Not that i am implying he was involved)
I could have put it better
I shall clarify I ment that he built legal licensed premises where before there wasnt any so people could gamble legally
I never implyed he was runing ilegal gambleing.