33 Market Street

[DAVIDW 1,690]

Been intrigued by the narrow turreted building shown in a photo recently posted on Nottm Way Back When (link below).

 

Unfortunately it must have been demolished before 1931 as that was when the classical style Martin's Bank (later Barclays) opened at the corner of Market St and Parliament St. giving the  address of 33 Market St.

Today its a restaurant. 

 

The alleyway between the turreted building and the Three Crowns pub was called Talbot Yard and that apparently ran from Parliament Street down to Long Row.

 

I can't find much about this old building only that in the 1900s a firm called London House sold household textiles from that address. Whether that was the whole or just a ground floor shop , no idea.  

 

Cliff Ton or anyone , do you have any access to directories for 29, 31, 33 Market St (it looks a long building)  prior to 1930 that may give a clue what it was? 

 

Edit : unfortunately that link doesnt seem to open . CT have sent a screen grab to you via Messenger.

 

 

 

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php/?photo_id=2381452372044441

[Cliff Ton 10,477]

The link to Facebook at the bottom of DAVIDW's post doesn't work (at least not for me) but this is the photo in question.

 

Upper Parliament Street is going across the photo, and Market St is just visible going down on the far left.

 

The most up-do-date Directory I have access to is 1915 and that lists the top of Market Street as.....

 

31: R Barnett & Co - Hard Confectioners            also 31: William Frederick Cox - Solicitor

 

33 & 35: Frank B Barnett - Outfitter (related to R Barnett at 31 ?)

[DAVIDW 1,690]

Thanks CT , not sure why that link doesnt work maybe something to do with that pages settings ?

 

I had seen that Barnett name elsewhere, will check further .

Still seems an ornate building for ordinary shops.

This is a page on Martin's Bank with pics that replaced that corner.

 

https://www.martinsbank.co.uk/11-52-60 Nottingham Market Street.htm

[Cliff Ton 10,477]

8 hours ago, DAVIDW said:

The alleyway between the turreted building and the Three Crowns pub was called Talbot Yard and that apparently ran from Parliament Street down to Long Row.

 

This shows Talbot Yard. The tower building is the pointed end of the block, arrowed.

 

[DAVIDW 1,690]

Surprised that the map shows a truncated Talbot Yard as originally believe it ran right through to the Talbot pub in the Square.

The "Palace of Varieties" later became the Scala as shown on this later map , previously posted by CT , showing the bank in place of the turreted building. It gives the bank as 31 and 33 Market Street. 

 

 

https://imgur.com/9CCAhVp?r

[Cliff Ton 10,477]

20 minutes ago, DAVIDW said:

Surprised that the map shows a truncated Talbot Yard as originally believe it ran right through to the Talbot pub in the Square.

 

This is from around 1910. Talbot Yard is at the top, and you can see a number of convoluted alleys and passages going down towards Long Row. Maybe there was a way through.   

 

 

The PH at the bottom is The Talbot (later Yates's).

[DAVIDW 1,690]

10 hours ago, Cliff Ton said:

33 & 35: Frank B Barnett - Outfitter (related to R Barnett at 31 ?)

Using the name given by CT have found an article that answers my own query.

 

The building despite its ornate tower and many upper floors just seems to have been small shops ! 

From an article in the E.P. dated 18th Sept 1928 , it details the reason for demolition of the old corner shops and from the text,  the photograph may have been dated to between 1926 and 1928 as the upper floor of the Three Crowns had been removed at the earlier date because it was structurally unsafe.

 

"A STREET IMPROVEMENT.
£15,000 CORNER SCHEME IN
NOTTINGHAM.

SIX SHOPS AND PUBLIC-HOUSE INVOLVED.

 

Within about a fortnight the execution of an improvement to one of the busiest spots in Nottingham will be commenced. It is the
setting back of the frontage at the junction of Upper Parliament-street and Market- street.
 

Few people can have failed to observe the unsightly appearance of this corner. with its public house and adjoining shops breaking into the line

of Parliament-street and causing congestion by the enforced narrowing of the roadway and pavement.

 

Two years ago the public-house (known as the Three Crowns became structurally unsafe, and the upper portion had to be taken down.

 

The necessity which thereby devolved upon the owners , Messrs, Bass, Ratcliffe and Gretton, to re-build the house, brought the Improvement Commitee of the City Council on the scene with a proposal to set back this and the adjoining property, and to bring it into line with the premises of Messrs A. B Gibson, Ltd.

 

To have limited the alteration in that however, would have made the turn out of Upper Parliament-street into Market-street almost a right angled one, and for the acquisition of the two small shops in Market-street, belonging to Mr F. B. Barnett was virtually a necessity.

 

When the Improvements Committee first went before the Council with a request for full powers to carry out the scheme, the Council , at the instance of the Iate Ald. F. Berryman rightly refused to consent until an estimated approximate  cost to the Corporation was given.

 

Ultimately this was forthcoming, the figure being put at £15,000. It may be said, in passing that there is every reason to believe that the cost will be kept within the estimate. 

 

REASON FOR DELAY.

 

Altogether six shops, in addition to the public house, are involved. 

 

Two years have elapsed since the Council gave its approval to the scheme, but in explanation of the apparent delay it may be said that many interests and rights have had to be considered, involving prolonged and delicate negotiations.

 

The scheme will mean the setting back of all the property between Mr. J. T. Norfolk's (clothing)  shop and Messrs Gibson's premises by an average distance of 24 feet. 

 

The new line will form a curve at the actual junction of the two streets. The new public-house will be 14 feet further to the west and will have a frontage of 52 feet instead of 37.

 

In order to ensure a continuous frontage over the whole of the new property, the yard which runs down beside the Three Crowns" (Talbot Yard) will also

be moved, along with the public-house, but will be arched over, a portion of the public house being built over it. 

 

The new licensed premises will be of a substantial and ornamental character.

 

Offers have been received for the Market-street portion of the site, but nothing has yet been determined in the matter. 

 

This spot will, with its new frontage, constitute one of the most commanding and valuable shopping sites in the city.

 

The demolition of the existing property is expected to be started in about a fortnight.