Cliff Ton
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There's a map for everything.........
I reckon the bit you see on the old photo is the entrance below the word "Station" on the map
This shows it as "Disused" but Vic station is obviously built, so it's 1900-1920. The site of the prison was eventually cleared to build the Central Market
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And look at the Nottingham pictures No. 21.....
It's the THREE bridges from a few weeks ago
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That bridge has a double catch which has probably caught a few people out. It's low, but it's also on an incline. So coming in from the Arnold Lane end you appproach a low bridge, but as go you under it, it gets even lower so even if you drive under one end there's no guarantee you'll get out at the other end.
(Look at the line of the bricks under the bridge to see what I mean)
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thanks for that, wondering now how many other bridges I don't know of! bet a few ex GCR ones down the meadows, one that always puzzled me (and still does) is the sherwin rd one at end of castle boulevard, why so low? did the leen at one time flow through there?
When I was a kid my grandparents lived in Lenton and we went past the Sherwin Road bridge on the bus. Always used to fascinate me. Even with horse-drawn carriages when it was built, I reckon the horses would've had to keep their heads down.
And there are two more very low bridges near that on the Midland mainline in Dunkirk. You can see them both on Streetview; Dunkirk Road/Gibbons Street (which you could just get a car under - but not a lorry) and Montpelier Road/Cavendish Street which you can hardly walk under without bending down.
Maybe everybody was a midget around 1860s
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If time machines existed now they'd solve a lot of problems on this forum. Nobody would need to ask any question about anything - you'd just go there and have a look for yourself. No need to worry about your memory getting bad as you get older, it would all be happening today as you speak. All those things you half remember as a kid would be sorted out straight away.
And the people who work on Picture the Past would all be out of a job
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I don't know Arnold very well, but with nothing better to do today, I've been having a look around.
This original photo above is on Picture the Past, bigger and in colour. They say it's Front Street.....
Looking at other Front Street photos brings up this
which could be the same view from the other way (look at the three dormer windows on the right, and the first floor windows, they match the ones in the original)
And this one
I reckon the white building sticking out fourth along is the Blankley building (you can just see the three dormers again beyond it)
And according to Pic the Past the third building along here is a pub called Horse and Jockey; so if you know Arnold you can work it all out
Now I'm going to lie down
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True. And I've just looked at maps of other dates on the Old Maps site. Every one shows the railway going over Hempshill Lane (like you'd expect). I'll post one of them later. The one I posted earlier (1930s) is the only one which shows the line under the roads; which goes to show that even OS maps can be wrong.
Here's the same place from the 1950s. It's now obviously an embankment going over the roads - totally the opposite to what they were showing 20 years earlier. And there's no actual line marked - must've been lifted by then. Only the Midland still has tracks shown.
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I might be wrong but doubt the railway was in a cutting/bridge under those roads as to get down from this bridge over cinderhill road to do the former in so short a distance would be quite a feat?
True. And I've just looked at maps of other dates on the Old Maps site. Every one shows the railway going over Hempshill Lane (like you'd expect). I'll post one of them later. The one I posted earlier (1930s) is the only one which shows the line under the roads; which goes to show that even OS maps can be wrong.
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Interesting map, I did not realise the branch to Ilkeston (marked Midland region) had 2 bridges over Hempsall Lane and Bradford St, never seen any photos of those, only the Cinderhill Rd one which I think was where the Bull pub (originally Bull and Butcher mk2) was? in fact after crossing Cinderhill Rd had no idea of it's route, maybe looking at pottery marked on it the later Sellars Wood Rd built on it's route?
I've dived into Old Maps again, and found this from the 1930s. I've kept this detailed enough to show the line appears to go under Hempshill Lane and Bradford Street. I don't know the area very well so maybe today you can still see that the line was in some kind of cutting
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Yep definitely Co Op bakery overlooking the river, I remember some of the staff sitting out there to have their break in the 60's when I was fishing on the opposite bank near the Grantham canal
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So it was basically a staff canteen?
That's what you were paying for when you bought Co-op bread and cakes -
I dont know if this thread is still active.
But do you have a map covering China Street, Bulwell, approx 1961? Hopefully also clearly showing Rufford School
Is this the kind of thing you were thinking of? It's late 50s/early 60s
I assume the school you are referring to is the one very close to China Street
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Just doin a bt of research into Balloon Woods. If i drove there now, or at least where it used to be, can someone give me some street names to pinpoint it please? Would i go down Wollaton Vale? Cheers everyone
Depends what you might be looking for. Don't go expecting to see any balloons.......in fact you'll hardly see any woods either. Just a few trees left over from the original woods. And quite a bit of fairly recent housing, which was built after the disaster which was the infamous Balloon Woods Flats
You won't find these........
which were know as the Balloon Houses and were at the end of Nottingham Road looking west towards Trowell
You can see them marked on this map from the 1920s
The road layout back then is surprisingly similar to the way it is today
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On Meadow Lane, just about opposite the Cattle Market, there's a building which looks like an average warehouse/industrial unit. A bit grubby and run-down. Like this.....
It backs on to the river, and if you look at it from the other side (i.e. City Ground side) it looks like this......
A bit extravagant for a warehouse. Anybody know why is has such an exotic feature facing the river? Cinema? Restaurant?
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I've still to fathom out how (not why) they replaced the GCR bridge over Valley Road, obvious answer was they built new one at side of old one but photos at time show new one considerably higher? which would alter gradients? also newer photos show no "swerve" in line, which one imagines would be needed if built side by side?
You've probably looked at Picture the Past on this subject - if not, in the "Search" box put "Valley Road". You'll get quite a few irrelevant pictures, but a lot which show the old and new bridges at various stages of history.
This Two bridges is a good example of the old and new at the same time (they seem to have built the new one on top of the old one, as some of the other photos also demonstrate)
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I worked at Kings Motors on Colwick Road, which is on google earth now as Lifting gear hire. This was early seventies and there was a train line at the rear of the premises, this is now the A612.
Is that on the old Colwick road which comes to a stop at a dead end? For a while it runs parallel to the current Colwick Loop Road.
I have a vague memory as a kid going along there and when the road used to continue, it went up over the (now non-existent) railway line
This is as far as you can get now
Weirdly spooky shot for me. On a totally different subject, I worked at Central TV on Lenton Lane for most of its existence, and I'm gobsmacked to see that old Central trailer parked here
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If you continued along Colwick road towards Netherfield there was a bridge near the racecourse. That bridge was demolished mid seventies and is now the A612 Daleside Road East.
I know where you mean, and that would fit Picture the Past's description.
In other words, about here Colwick
But wasn't that on the old Great Northern line? so they were wrong to say the photo is the suburban line
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Another couple of cases which I can remember and I never knew the outcome of........
One was the murder of a lady called Joan Maschek (maybe not the exact spelling) around mid 1970s
Circumstances were something like, she owned a flat at the top end of Derby Road near the Park, and the theory was that she was murdered by a disgruntled tenant who had an argument with her
Also, the case of Sheila Egner, shop assistant at Yeoman's Army Stores on Mansfield Road in 1991. She was working in the shop, someone came in to try and rob the till, and she was killed in the process. The theory on that one was it was a tramp/homeless type who just wandered in on the off change
As far as I remember, neither of them was ever solved
(And I've just realised this is in the 80s thread, which neither of these is)
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I told someone last week that my socks had gone to bed.
That's a blast from the past! I haven't heard it since the early 1960s. Completely forgotten it; I'd hear it from my parents and grandparents
I suppose back then boys were likely to be wearing short trousers, so sleeping socks were more noticeable
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I'm sorry for people losing jobs but someone used to put it on at work years ago and it drove me mad with adverts for double glazing.
Long live BBC6Music!
Agreed.
In my earlier post I mentioned it was the end of local commercial radio
but that doesn't mean I'll miss it. I stopped liking it around 30 years ago. It was good when it started as Radio Trent because it was slightly different and unusual compared to what we'd known before. Unfortunately that didn't last long. It soon became identikit SmoothBlandCorporate FM -
So that's the end of local broadcasting in commercial radio. If you want local news from a local newsroom you'll have to listen to the BBC.
Just like they've done in television with ITV, you now only get local stuff from BBC Midlands. On ITV, Central News used to be local (when it came from Lenton Lane) but now it's Birmingham based with just a nod to this area.
It's a business and they don't make any money from operating at a small local level, so they just turn it into a national organisation and get rid of all the local staff and premises. Cheap is the word.
Interesting to see the boss calls it "one of the biggest events to happen in UK commercial radio." He's right. It will be effectively the end of regional commercial radio.
I remember when Radio Trent started, and it seemed a bit of fresh air compared to Radio Nottingham. They were both covering the same area, but at least they were both genuinely local.
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Streets lights you say?....Wot are they then???
Dont hav'em up here!!!!
Owdtite.
So I bet you're aware of the effect with glare and flare that all the street lighting gives off.
If you normally live in a built up area and find yourself in the middle of open countryside at night, it's surprising how much blacker the night sky is and how much brighter the stars seem to be, because there's no glare from any artificial lighting.
But when you're in the middle of nowhere and look across in the distance to the nearest town you'll see a big orange flare in the sky from all the lights, and no black sky and no stars.
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I can see both sides of the argument as well.
If you drive along any motorway or major road at night you see all those retail parks and industrial areas fully lit up, like a football stadium with its floodlights on. And probably nobody anywhere near them.
But the lights were turned off, the burglars would think it was christmas every day
Obviously the answer is half on/half off
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Just down from Wesr End Arcade (What happened to Brownies Toy Shop?)
Don't remember the Steak House you mentioned (probably I wasn't old enough to be eating out in those days) but I do remember Brownie's Toy Shop up West End Arcade. Once you were inside it kind of went uphill; thinking about it now, it was probably several shop units joined together as one
Was Brownies its real name? I've always assumed that was what my parents told me it was called. Wasn't it actually connected to Skills in some way?
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It was me who started the question about pubs in Vic Centre, and this thread has jumped sideways into the "80s Nottingham" category under the heading "Pub name wanted"
Seems the question came up a few years ago and there are quite alot of answers
Old Nottingham and Arnold images
in Web Sites about old Nottingham
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Going back to the Guidebook to Nottingham, where I got the Bus Route map and the 1940s adverts, is this paragraph which gives a bit of relevant information