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Read an article by an undertaker in Italy. Bit grim.
Maybe Nonna can confirm or deny its authenticity.
With talk about emergency workers, we tend to forget about undertakers.
Apparently, there are no funerals taking place in Italy. The dead are placed in a coffin as they die, no cleaning/applying makeup etc, sometimes if relatives ask for specific clothes to be put on the deceased, these are placed on top of the body. No redressing allowed.
No items can be placed in the coffin. Relatives are not allowed viewing or their goodbyes. ( probably in quarantine anyway. )
. The undertaker takes the coffin to a priest in the boot of a car, opens boot, priest carries out his duties, then off to crematorium.
Is this our future?
Undertakers are becoming prey to the virus which is causing another problem.
Difficult times. People like and want to say goodbye.
Funerals in this country are limited to five people including the person taking the service. Close family only.
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Brew: it's a mark IV
. Radford Red: forgot about that reset. Did as instructed.
Cliff Ton: unable to answer as I only post in Nottstalgia.
Not off to a good start, couldn't get in initially. Got the dreaded black circle before I could sign in.
Am here now, but for how long?
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Am unable to do that Beekay as its locked. Only way is to completely restart from scratch. Am hoping this message will post.
If it doesn't, I will have to respond at a later date.
I use an Apple I pad.
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Seem to be having a few issues, if I make a comment in a thread, I am unable to make another, either in the same thread or another one. Unable to give a like to someone else's as well.
The screen will go blank, then return to the page but the writing is now feint and the screen is locked. A black circle appears in the middle and spins for ever and a day.
Only way to clear is to delete everything in safari and start again. Sometimes having to wait a couple of days before I can post.
Any ideas?
Am using an I pad.
Also when trying to sign in, I get a fault has occurred and a page number, usually 404.
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Letsavago : we find ourselves in the same situation. By rationing, we can eke what we have. My plan is hopefully, in a week or so, the idiotic imbeciles that masquerade as members of the human race will have locked themselves into whatever bolt hole they find themselves in, gleefully rejoicing in their selfish behaviour bu££ering those who think about others. Sadly, some people would delight in what they've done, thinking how clever they are. What goes around comes around.
Like you, we have a conscience, if we had spare items, we would share. Could still do that if we come across someone worse off then we are.
After the horse has bolted, it's nice to see the supermarkets now bringing in rationing. Why couldn't this have been carried out in the beginning?
People say " why don't you order on line?"
To answer that, if you are lucky enough to place an order, you won't receive it until April.
Wouldn't be surprised if the hoarders are getting items on line as well. I still think there's a fair amount of profiteering taking place.
The internet providers could do more by taking down a lot of the maleficent junk relating to this epidemic. There is a lot of lets panic the manure out of people.
As an aside, I wonder if people would be fighting over toilet rolls if they were Izal?
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Am in total dismay at the human race. It's becoming more like Mad Max at the moment.
This me me society we have created cares only about themselves: I'm alright Jack, the rest of you can fornicate off!.
Why the supermarkets haven't stopped a lot of this nonesense is beyond me. They have the power to prevent this bulk buying.
People limited to when they can shop, are finding they are unable to purchase what they require.
Someone working 12 hrs in the NHS isn't able to shop as there's nothing left.
Personally I think some of this is down to people selling the items for a profit.
How do they afford to purchase at such a level? Where do they store it?
Hand sanitiser and toilet roles are being stolen from hospitals.
People not having ate for a week fighting over a loaf of bread I understand. Fighting over a pack of toilet roles leaves me dumbfounded and bemused.
How some of this shower would have coped with the Black Death or the 1918/19 flu epidemic doesn't bear thinking about.
We have an excellent NHS and modern medicine practices on our side.
Just needs a bit of thought for others, which in many cases is found to be lacking.
Apparently even food put to one side for food banks is being taken.
Sadly, apart from the inevitable deaths that are occurring, at the end of this, many people won't have a job, employers will have gone to the wall, a recession will follow.
Maybe, just maybe, a better world will evolve, I somehow doubt it, but I can dream.
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Interesting. The water shown lies between the railway and the sewer, if it is the sewer to Stoke, then it's showing it diving under the railway in the wrong place. It doesn't do that until it gets to the Ouse Dyke. My brain hurts.
The large houses on Conway Road were built 1883/1885. I think. My mind at the moment is not playing with me.
There is an Eric Morecombe sketch with Andre Previn, in which he says: " I am playing all the right notes, not necessarily in the right order." Think that applies to information coming from my memory banks.
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Beginning to wonder if it was connected to the building of the bowling green, council housing estate and road.
Although this is at odds with what I thought.
i either misunderstood what I was told, or my memory is not working.
The gardens adjoining the bowling green used to flood on a regular basis until the mid eighties.
Sadly, I can no longer ask questions.
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AfferGorritt, no problem, think I can manage that.
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Thanks Cliff Ton, however, the building the arrow is pointing to is 13 Conway Road. Demolished to make way for a row of dolls houses.
The mysterious chapel should be to the right of the arrow head. Maybe not as old as I originally thought, although on the 1919 map a building that shape is actually situated at the end of Conway Road. At first glance I thought it may have been the out buildings to 1 Conway Avenue drawn in the wrong place. Now I have doubts. On the 1938 map, it is shown where it now stands.
The person who paddled in the water and swung on the gate would have done this somewhere around1915 to the building of Conway Road. Another person who had been a long term resident of Conway Avenue, told me a steam engine used to use the road. I either wasn't paying attention or my brain cells are not working. Another person who used to tell me about the area was a groundsman employed on the bowling greens.
Also, it seems that the large house demolished for those horrible flats, fronted by the wall with stone balls on the top, was not as old as I thought.
The flow of water was diverted and culverted in the 1890's. Some maps do show water, particularly the area in front of the railway where the fish pond used to be on the bowling green. Filled in because of health and safety, allegedly, more likely couldn't be bothered to maintain it. The map also indicates the boundary line as being a lot straighter than it actually is, it's more of a dog's leg in reality.
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AfferGorritt, forgot to mention, there are photos of Netherfield that show this row of houses, not brilliant, but may give an idea of where your ancestor lived. Have taken a photo of a postcard from a book but unable to put it on here. Maybe Cliff Ton has one in his library.
Cliff Ton, Conway Road is doing nothing for my sanity! My memories don't correspond with any maps. Have looked at maps dated 1878, 1883, 1885, 1899, 1901, 1919, 1921, 1938.
Would a private road be shown on maps? Somethings not right and it's bugging me.
Have found a photograph which shows part of the wall I mentioned previously, which I have cropped, to remove the person featured on it. Unable to put it on here.
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Apologies Cliff Ton, I was referring to 1870's 1880's in answer to Affer Gorrits query, but adding the bit about Conway Road it seemed like I was referring to the same time period. I should have made it clearer, I was in fact talking about early twentieth century. Conway Road was built early 1920's. The waterway had already been rerouted to join up with sewer water and ran in a culvert joining the main sewer that runs alongside the railway line. When I say waterway, it was basically a dyke which filled with water after heavy rain, once the flow had been diverted. Beyond the chapel stood a big house fronted by a large wall topped by stone balls, there followed a brick wall with I think three wooden gates, these were rear entrances to some large houses including Eastmoor House.
All before my time, but I gleaned a lot of info from reading old documents. I don't remember the chapel in use as such, nor the gate.
My first recollection of the chapel was of it being an empty building, ironically it's still there. Been used in various capacities over time.
My assumption being that if those large houses had gates in brick walls, there had to be some form of bridle or footpath for the occupants to use.
A bit of useless information: in 1964 the front lawn and path of a house sank, (not a sinkhole) but a fair sized depression, caused by an underground spring.
When the railway station was built, it actually served Gedling and Carlton. In 1846 it was more likely to be used by Gedling residents as the bottom end of Carlton wasn't heavily populated. Making sense that Station Lane emanated from the direction of Gedling.
Trying to transport yourself back to a bygone era can be tricky, especially when roads and areas have name changes over time.
Have come across Brooke Street, in 1890's some workmen laying sewers found some artefacts dating from Roman era and 14th century. Another dusty bit of info I had forgotten. (The same sewerage system mentioned above).
An amendment: The house affected by an underground spring is in Conway Avenue.
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Moor Lane is the antiquarian name of the road that is now Station Road/Victoria Road. In 1846 the Midland Railway opened the Nottingham Lincoln line dissecting this road. Thus becoming Station Lane North of the railway. I presume this was down to the locals referring to recognise it leading to the railway station. In 1871, Netherfield didn't exist as a place in its own right, being classed as part of Carlton. This explains why Moor Lane is listed as the road in question. In 1871 few houses existed South of the railway. There was a row of terraced houses on the right hand side leading from the station. its quite likely this is the row of houses in question as this part of the road was quite likely to have retained its original name. The name seemed to swap to Netherfield Lane in the mid 1870's when Colwick locomotive sheds and sidings were being built. By 1881 the name had become official. It became Victoria Road in 1889 on the queens jubilee. Not sure when Station Lane became Station Road, probably when it became built on. I don't know if it's still there but in the 1990's a Netherfield Lane name board was still attached to the shop facing Meadow Road. 100 years since it had been called by that name.
Regarding Conway Road, it was a lane, but I'm not sure if was actually a public right of way at that time. Turning onto Conway Road from Station Road, as you pass Conway Avenue, the road narrows. On the left is an old chapel, where a waterway ran alongside. There was a bridge over the water and I'm sure there was a gate across the road at this point. I could be wrong. My brain cells sometimes travel in a parallel universe to the rest of me.
All the above is from memory, I hope I don't mislead anyone.
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I am not a chemist, so may be barking up the wrong tree.
However, I will proceed into the unknown. Large quantities of nitro glycerine were required as a propellant in the production of cordite.
In liquid form it is highly unstable and extremely difficult to transport, needing to be kept cool at all times.
This would necessitate it's manufacture at the site of the blending with other elements to produce a paste. This would form a 'cake' mixture which would be warmed in stoving houses. I think the odd elliptical shapes on Cliff Tons map could be these.The earth works indicate that something explosive was around this site.
If you look on google maps, it can be seen that the gulag building is surrounded by steps indicating varying levels.
This manufacturing process tended to be carried out in small locations in the event of something going wrong, thereby ensuing production continued elsewhere. Also some locations converted to the manufacture of shells weren't large enough to carry out this activity.
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Just had a memory alert! Can now remember being told that the tunnels on the Suburban Railway were used for storing ammunition trains.
This being the unofficial reason for the station closures in 1916.
May be there is a connection?
The official reason for their closures was put down to staff shortages, due to the war.
Another thought! Maybe the Zeppelin was after this location when he bombed the brick works. He wasn't far off his target, if indeed he knew about it.
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Thanks Fly for the recommendation, it is a good book.
The picture you referred to was taken when Annesley turntable was under maintenance, as you say Annesley was capable of turning 9F's.
i know the Western Region weren't keen on their locomotives going to Annesley due to the hard water. 9F's working to Nottingham on passenger trains would have been turned at Bagthorpe.
Having said this, I have seen Halls at Annesley. In fact, they infamously "borrowed" one for weekend ballast workings.
maybe they went to Annesley if they needed "fitters attention"!
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If you compare Cliff Ton's map with google maps, you can clearly see one of the funny buildings remains as a crop mark in a field.
I don't think this particular one is shown on his map. Hut 9 appears to still be there, along with another possible that doesn't have a number, located to the left of hut 9. You can also see the pathway through the trees just above it.
The earthworks around these buildings is puzzling, and points to some form of military use. The curved pathways could allude to some form of movement of shells.
Another strange feature which may or may not have any bearing, but a house on Blythe Street has an observation room on it's roof.
Not all World War 1 military installations were recorded as such.
I can't find any reference to Mapperley being used as a military hospital, but then again the powers wouldn't have necessarily wanted the public to know about the mental state of their armed forces. Bagthorpe is recorded as a military hospital at this time.
Doesn't answer the question though.
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Compo's photograph is missing, but I know which it is as I regularly look through Chris Ward's Annesley web pages.
Am pleased you have found a photograph of the stored coaches, as I was wondering if I had remembered correctly.
Have also taken Fly's recommendation and purchased The Back Line.
I seem to recollect that 9F's had a route availability issue on the Leen Valley Line. The only stretch I have seen photographs is on the Bagthorpe Junction triangle where they were sometimes turned, being too large for Victoria's turntable. Someone will now produce a photograph and prove me wrong. Such is life!
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It should read Queens Walk, not Queens Road. Another senior moment!!
The locomotive shed was actually called Arkwright Street, although most people knew it as QueensWalk, as it was situated adjacent to that siding and warehouses.
It was officially closed as an engine shed in 1909, although used for stabling purposes afterwards, it's locomotive allocation being transferred to Annesley.
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Railway lines have a small electric current passing through them. As a train passes over them it creates a short circuit enabling the signal man to know he has a train in a certain section. Leaves on the line create a problem, they become impacted onto the rail and become an insulator so the flim flam trains of today don't create a short circuit, thereby becoming invisible to the signal man. (A visual indication in his signal box disappears, not the train entering a twilight zone.)
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Have had a senior moment: it's W. Rigley's.
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Wrigleys cut up some of Gresley's O2 locomotives, mainly Grantham ones off the High Dyke workings. Loads of 16t wagons were cut up there. Am sure I'm right about the coaches. They weren't anywhere near Hereford Road though, as I remember, they were adjacent to the City Hospital.
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Bubblewrap is right. The council did get the railway company to carry out a slum clearance on their behalf. Charging them compensation for the privaledge of doing so. The majority of these slum dwellers moved to other slum areas as they couldn't afford the rents of the new properties built to replace their homes. Compensation going to the owners, not the tenents. Close to 6000 people were evicted from this area. Twenty public houses were demolished, five in a sixty yard stretch in one street.
The man who acted as agent for the Great Central Railway and the engineer building the section through Nottingham were both directors of the Nottingham Brick Company. Both worked together on the Nottingham Suburban Railway.
I seem to recollect that the compensation alone cost half a million pounds.
Nottingham was going to be an interchange station for locomotives. That's why two turntables were constructed. A locomotive maintenance shed was to be built at Bulwell, with a smaller servicing shed at Queens Road. Only the Queens Road shed actually got built along with carriage sheds at Bulwell, however a long standing dispute with Nottingham council over rates etc, caused the Great Central to abandon their plans for Bulwell; building their maintenance shed at Annesley instead, as the county council were more accommodating.
If Bulwell had been built, they would have had A3's allocated and not Leicester.
Queens Road never opened as an engine shed, but was used as a stabling point for a few years. The shed Forman never took up his duties there, being transferred straight to Annesley.
A photograph exists of this shed with a K3 awaiting its next duty. The bay window of a brick building was to have been the formans office.
Maybe the railways hierarchy realised they had been had.
It makes you wonder how much influence the Midland Railway had on this chain of events.
There was no way the Midland Railway would have ever countered the 1881 plan. They wouldn't have agreed on night following day with the Great Northern Railway.
As an aside, there is a fantastic blog about Annesley, created by Chris Wild, an ex fireman at Annesley.
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Yes, I remember coaches being stored on this line.
Am sure they were left there longer than they should have been as many of them had their white metal bearings stolen.
Can vaguely remember a conversation with my dad about them.
I think Wrigleys wagon works eventually disposed of them, but am not completely sure about this.
I also think I have seen a couple of photographs, again not sure. Was a long time ago.
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