Hi I am a Carlton lad, I also have known the Bates since I was a kid - they used to lives 3 or 4 doors down from me on Coningswath Road. Mick and Andy and Trev (Trev died in a car crash with Wayne Marriot).
A question: I remember the Blacks Head sign being a person. Was it a man or woman? Has anyone got a picture of it?
thanks