JFK day.

[Trevor S 2,003]

As per #22:-

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/jfk-smoking-gun-tv-review-article-1.1504188

[Bilboro-lad 294]

How do you 'lose' the brain of an assassinated president after a post mortem?

Did it have the wrong bullet fragments in it? Fragments that couldn't have come from the Oswald gun?

[poohbear 1,360]

Mick!...Can you make a note in your will that you wish this thread to be a sticky for the next 100 years....'Cos that's how long the arguments over who did what to who in the Kennedy assassination is gonna go on for.

[mick2me 3,033]

Dont need to be sticky... the grandkids will be on it

[AfferGorritt 868]

Yes, Bilbro-lad,

According to that Aussie PI (good programme) the brain contained bullet FRAGMENTS (shown on the x-rays). Oswald was using jacketed bullets which would have gone straight through (as did the one through the base of Kennedy's skull that exited just below the larynx, passed through Connelly's arm and ended up in his leg.

The bodyguard's weapon was a AR15 (I think) using hollow-nosed bullets to have maximum stopping power. These fragment on impact to cause maximum damage - and a large exit wound.

Hmm...

[NewBasfordlad 3,599]

Hollow point bullets are made to increase the calibre width of the bullet giving a larger surface area not to fragment. Some will accidently fragment but these would be less lethal than an expanded bullet.

And again if it was the agents round then he was in the car behind Kennedy so that would blow out the theory of him being shot from the front.

The only certainty at this time is that who ever did the cover up of what went on did a cracking job.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

The problem with the fragmenting bullet theory is that in the autopsy pictures there is a clear and clean exit hole at the front near the hairline. How did that get there if the bullet fragmented?

[NewBasfordlad 3,599]

Like I said a hollow point bullet is not made to fragment.

If it was the agents 5.56mm carbine it would be either a 45 grain bullet muzzle velocity about 3600 feet per second or the heavier 77 grain bullet muzzle velocity about 3200 feet per second.

If you are unfamiliar with the size of bullets these are very small in the way of things they use their very high velocity to produce the required kinetic energy. As a guide there are 7000 grains to a pound weight.

When teaching as a gunnery instructor comparing the 5.56mm to the 7.62mm I would use the analogy of would you sooner be hit by a slow moving house brick or a fast moving pea.

[AfferGorritt 868]

The only certainty is confusion!!

Some info suggests that hollow points can fragment ....

"bullets that deform and expand, such as hollow-point projectiles, produce the greatest increase in volume of disrupted tissue, along with fragmentation, and are less likely to produce an exit wound." University of Utah.

The Aussie's theory does suggest the fatal wound came from behind.

Not sure about the exit wound at the hairline. Not heard that one before. The summary of the Ramsey Clark Panel Analysis in 1968 suggests that ...

"Examination of the clothing and of the photographs and X- rays taken at autopsy reveal that President Kennedy was struck by two bullets fired from above and behind him, one of which traversed the base of the neck on the right side without striking bone and the other of which entered the skull from behind and exploded its right side."

Whether the head shot came from the Book Depository or the standing agent in the following car, who knows? Seem to remember that the guy reckoned there was also a discrepancy between the calibre of the bullet that went through the neck (recovered) and the entrance wound to the skull.

If it's on catch-up, I'd recommend it.

[Guest]

My understanding is they shot the poor man again when he was dead to attempt to conceal the shot trajectory.

NBL is correct on the bullet/rifle info.

Top marksman were said to be involved ( multiple).