firbeck 860 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I was wondering what the reaction was to this up and coming film in the City. Quite frankly I don't think that I've ever seen so much advanced publicity for a film about football, it seems that every time you either turn on the radio or put on the TV, Michael Sheen is being interviewed, the reason is obvious though, it's not about the football, it's all about Brian Clough. I must admit, having looked at the film clips on IMDB and the films own website, to me, it looks quite a remarkable portrayal of the man by Sheen, and the whole cast generally puts in uncanny performances, Colin Meaney of Star Trek fame for instance, looks and behaves frighteningly realistically as Don Revie. It also gives you a strange feeling looking down the cast list and seeing the names of some of the familiar footballers from the past being given star billing. I know that there has been critism that much of it has been over fictionalised, particularly from the Clough family, but that's the Hollywood touch for you, you wouldn't expect anything else. I'm looking forward to seeing this one, what do you Clough fans up there think of it. Incidentally, it's being called Brian Clough Week in the media with a documentary about him tomorrow night on ITV, they are also running a cr@p article in the Daily Mirror ( I'm only buying it for the free seeds ), did anyone spot yesterdays mistake in their article. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 I've only seen a small clip on Jonathan Ross & no plans to see the film ( the last film i watched was back in 1984 electric dreams @ the Savoy ) But the book by David Peace was the best book i read last year , and possibly the best football book i have ever read. You really feel like you get into his head and start to feel the panic and hopelessness of his situation. The 'dual time' mode of writing is very effective. Best chapter for me is the one where is takes his first training session and tells the players who have just won the league that they can throw their medals away! The Trailer looks as good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 This will make you smile. When my son was at his village junior school 15+ years ago, I got very involved with the place and they needed a football coach, they hadn't won a match for 10 years and a variety of footballing dads had failed miserably, they all looked at me, so despite my lack of skills and ability, I decided to adopt the Clough policy, sort 'em out and let them get on with it. It worked, we won our first match 3-0, this had never happened before, and it carried on, trouble is, the footballing dads couldn't cope with this, they didn't like it, they knew better, the team would march on to glory in their eyes, so they would run out on the pitch at half time and push me out the way in order to deliver their twopenneth of cr@p. It didn't work, it all fell apart, particularly when the Head got PC and insisted on introducing girls into the team, I gave up at that point and let them carry on with their failures, the team doesn't exist anymore, Brian would be horrified. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Please can someone explain to me why, considering the rubbish thats on TV tonight, that a much publicised documentary about Brian Clough is put on ITV1 at 22:35, going on till 23:50, is the man so scary that he has to be put on later than the so called watershed time. ITV, you should be ashamed of your programming, you do yourselves no favours with this ridiculous time schedule, I doubt whether many people will be able to keep themselves awake to watch it at this unacceptable time, but I suppose the Soaps take precedent, thats what the public want after all, isn't it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Did anyone watch this last night, well, Beefsteak stayed up late, I can't believe he didn't watch it, despite being a diehard County fan. I thoroughly enjoyed it and the way it was put across, though sometimes it was a bit confusing, the Brighton affair for instance seemed to have been very neglected. I also didn't realise how much the book 'The Damned United' was so much fictionalised, I can now understand the families concern about the film, as well as some of the players thoughts on it, even though they were the Leeds 'Untouchables', at least Johnny Giles was prepared to admit that Clough was a genius. A pity that they didn't speak to some of the Leeds fans and got their thoughts on what subsequently happened to their team, why they should have bitten the bullet and accepted the inevitable and how they felt about the success that Forest achieved when it would have inevitably happened to them. I was at Elland Road when the self appreciative Leeds team were knocked out of the League Cup by an injury hit Notts County, I always thought that the victory was engineered by a closet meeting between Sirrel and Clough, the whole County game plan was too well orchestrated to suggest anything else, it smacked of a combination of Sirrels shrewdness and Cloughs knowledge and contempt of the Leeds team and his 'derring do' attitude, Cloughie had only been at Forest for a few months, I'm sure he would have relished seeing the Leeds players that had seen him off being humiliated, they certainly were that night and I recall standing with a bunch of diehard Leeds fans who actually thought it was a disaster that Clough hadn't been taken on board. Ces't la Vie, has it put you off seeing the film, I hope not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beefsteak 305 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I too was there that night as a rather adolesant teenager.! I watched the program last night and felt for Mrs Clough 'cause she is slightly deluded in her personal memories if she claimed he didn't drink in those days, IMMSC I remember he got banned for drink driving twice in the 70s. I did notice that none of the so called 'Leeds greats' ,that were interviewed, admited to cheating their way to the title (I refer to a certain William Bremner, offering money to opposition defenders to leg him up for a penalty) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 That was one of my favourite matches of all time, at any level. We left on a whim after a day having had lectures at Trent Poly, my mate had an old light blue Ford Anglia, I don't know how it got up there. On arrival at Elland Road, no way was I going into the segregated Notts supporters part of the ground and went into the main stand, a group of really hardnut local miners insisted we stood next to them for our own safety, they were brilliant blokes, they actually wanted Leeds to lose that night to prove a point regarding Brian Clough. I remember the Leeds 'fans' at their end being quite appalling and threatening, one of them climbed up into the steelwork at the top of the stand, dropped his trousers and crapped all over his mates, it summed them and their team up quite beautifully. I recall that Notts had all their midfield players injured and employed the regular fullbacks in the middle, snuffing out and frustrating Bremner and Madeley, and passing the ball out to Scanlon and Carter on the wings while Les Bradd acted as a decoy, it was one of the most brilliant tactical ploys I've seen at any level of football. As the match progressed, the locals around us were actually cheering Notts on, it was a strange feeling watching arguably some of the worlds greatest players being humbled in this way by a bunch of Second Division alleged no-hopers. I recall the Leeds 'faithfull' heading for the Notts fans at the end of the match so they could dish out a pathetic 'good kicking', I was challenged myself by some of these scum, but could manage a good Yorkshire accent and got away with it. What were your experiences on the night Beefsteak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
radfordred 6,284 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Missed the ITV's Clough documentary , but i have just watched the Clough & Revie clash . If you missed it you can watch it here . http://www.itv.com/Sport/Football/News/Gen...ps/default.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beefsteak 305 Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I don't remember much of the game , just the feeling of elation that we were safely back on the coach afterwards!!, and the trouble that seemed to be kicking off every few seconds (Especially after we scored) And having to defend myself and my mates from all sorts of attacks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ashley 288 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Watched this last night, thought quite good but they made a few errors, the state of the run down scruffy Baseball Ground, the slum houseing in Derby and the pitch that looked like the Somme, all were in fact far worse in real life! Was actually in Derby buying a Mk 1 Ford Escort the day Clough and Taylor resigned, that car was another reason to say "We hate Derby" lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firbeck 860 Posted July 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Watched this last night, thought quite good but they made a few errors, the state of the run down scruffy Baseball Ground, the slum houseing in Derby and the pitch that looked like the Somme, all were in fact far worse in real life! According to the film credits, it was mainly filmed at Chesterfield FC, probably also explained why Derby looked very hilly too! The Baseball Ground as I remembered it, tatty green paint and an air of neglect. Although even more ancient, at least the old Meadow Lane had a bit of character about it. I enjoyed the film a lot, very strange to see those familiar characters so well portrayed. Good idea to put the documentary on afterwards too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beefsteak 305 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Having watched the film a while back I missed it and watched another film instead (totally forgetting to tape the documentary !! ) was it any good, or was it the same one ffrom a couple of months back? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob237 89 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 On again tonight, 23.20 BBC 2... Better documentary than the ITV version, blessedly Boycott-free Cheers Robt P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beefsteak 305 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Cheers Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Thanks Rob will watch that. Would like to have seen the Damned. I wonder if I can recall it on Virgin? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob237 89 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Mick...rather surprisingly, the film is already on BBCi Player. Hope the link works... http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00t61gx Cheers Robt P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Nice Link Rob Works a treat. If I cant get it in SD/HD? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hippo girl 1,995 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 first class film taken from a first class book....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rob237 89 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Would suggest "a first class book" is rather debatable. Try Duncan Hamilton's biography...IMO, a vastly better read, factual too... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Provided-You-Dont-Kiss-Me/dp/0007247117/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279623218&sr=1-4 Cheers Robt P. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beefsteak 305 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I recommend that book too, I read it a year or so back (I'm now waiting for my father in law to finish the one he wrote on Jardine, so I can pinch it back!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hippo girl 1,995 Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 Would suggest "a first class book" is rather debatable. Try Duncan Hamilton's biography...IMO, a vastly better read, factual too... http://www.amazon.co.uk/Provided-You-Dont-Kiss-Me/dp/0007247117/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1279623218&sr=1-4 Cheers Robt P. found the Duncan Hamiliton one boring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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