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In the Russian press one commentator said "the best slogan won". Think about it for a moment 'for the many, not the few' and 'get Brexit done'. which is snappier? whilst neither can be said to be specific the Labour slogan is more esoteric and decidedly passive voice, the Tory slogan is much more assertive and identifiable in it's intent. I accept the manifesto is worrying but now that he has a good majority he may not pursue it. A very weak excuse Col, something better known as prevarication and indecision.

So am I, or was. I thought 'what a great idea' and bought a Samsung S6 (a refurb because I'm a tight sod). Sadly I can think of no other use for it than calls and text with an odd photo. Tried accessing the 'Net when I first got it but it's such a palaver I gave up. My old Nokia C20 does all that in a much smaller package. Anything else can wait

And I bet none of them die!

There are quite a few cars with voice activation. Tell the satnav where you're going, who to phone etc. I speak regularly with some senior police officers and it's their opinion the Dept of Trans has accepted that hands free is a 'hazard' and are considering a ban. The stumbling block is how to police it. In an accident one of the first things they check now days is your phone.

And we got here without a single mobile phone before 1973! How good are we?

So they are as I said convenient not essential. None of the other stuff you mention is really necessary and I seriously doubt any of us have had a life changing phone call whilst out driving - and hands free calls will soon be banned.

So how did you manage before they were invented? I still maintain they are handy but hardly essential.

No sir. It's convenient, it a great time saver but it's no more than that. It's only essential when you can't breathe without one. The peak district is on my doorstep and is notorious for 'no signal' areas and radio dead spots but for 28 years we managed to keep the lights on for the majority of the time.

Funny how I managed to get to my 60's without ever having found a mobile phone a necessity , I'm 74 now and still don't see them as such. In ye olde times I walked to a phone box, I went to a library for information and made notes on scraps of paper for those items I needed to remember. They are handy things to have but I still have not found access to the internet necessary when away from home. There is one picture on my phone. No browser history. No E-mail set up and lo and behold I still manage to keep going, amazing, I don't know how I do it!

Absolute tosh! I'm surprised you think that...

That's interesting, why is it obscene BK? Is it any more obscene than our, yours and mine, living standard and lifestyle when compared to the sick, the lame and the starving throughout the world?

The 'young girl' is in fact a 35 year old woman. Why does she have that much jewellery? - because she can and I suspect it's as much an investment as it is for decoration.

Ah bless, did you think it was it done by vote? It's TV den, nothing is left to chance it's all carefully planned and staged...

Yes I agree about the economic history but I try to keep things more succinct, more easily digestible and to the point. I'm not going to get into a discussion of the Blessed Margaret, suffice to say I voted both for and against her. The NHS has been out of control for years and governments of both flavours have sought to solve its problems by throwing money at it rather than finding a proper solution. I realise it's heresy to decry the jewel in the socialist crown but take the blinkers off and it's obvious it cannot carry on the way it is at the moment.

I think it's not easy to reply to that Alpha particularly when the remaniners here have said repeatedly they have accepted we will leave. The time for aggressive statements has gone, (If it was ever appropriate) This is a bit of mystery and I'd like to know which example you are thinking of. As an aside how do you have a 'so called nation'? Err I think only one was against Nazism, there was no such thing in WW1. Another example I'm at a loss to understand nor can I remember any 'vitriolic abuse' or 'acidic bile'. I don't say you are wron

The 'vote leave' web site is still up for anyone who wants to check the benefits claimed for leaving: http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/why_vote_leave.html I am, as some know, a remoaner and I agree with Col although rehashing Brexit and the reasoning behind it serves no real or useful purpose. It's not the case that leavers will not articulate their reasoning, indeed why should they? But more a case of they cannot express why they are so anti-EU. Many know now that the main planks of the leave argument have been disproved and dismantled but still they remain enthusia

Your'e a bad man Rob.L... a bad baaad man...

I'll take your word for it Ozt...

I thought it was hedgehogs that were baked in clay...

I just looked, there is NO legal definition of vermin in UK law so it comes down to personal opinion - I like 'em

hey, my garden, my rules

We have three, agile little buggers aren't they? Its usually a race between them and a small flocks of pigeons to see which empties' the feeders first. Drives my neighbour crazy, says both are vermin but hey, my garden, my rules OK...

It's the impression I get talking to various people. Few even want to discuss it and "can't be doing with it" is quite often a phrase I hear. You're right it's not pragmatic in the true sense of the word, it's just how it seems to me at the moment. Whether they will continue not caring when the consequences start to bite I don't know. I don't think I have ever said that either directly or by implication. If you have interpreted anything I have written as such then I assure it was not meant that way.

All rather irrelevant now. Regardless of what happens next it will never be acceptable to everyone and quite frankly by now few even care.

All I entered was "Is Johnson far right"' There were attacks on both leaders. Your view of the BBC has taken a knock after the Andrew Marr / Johnson show had over 12,000 complaints about his anti-Johnson attitude.. Not too sure about the lies though. Johnson is not the only one who wants parliamentary reform. Labour has in the past proposed a non-partisan Parliamentary Boundary Review to examine the rules for the redistribution of seats, together with a referendum on introducing the Alternative Vote (AV) system for elections to the Commons. Provisions in the Constituti