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[Bilboro-lad 294]

The word 'estimates' means it's a guess.

And what age group? Late 80s? Who cares at that age?

[Stan 386]

The word 'estimates' means it's a guess.

And what age group? Late 80s? Who cares at that age?

Hardly a guess from such a learned society! Who cares? probably the ones who were sensible enough to have had the test early and survived!

[Bilboro-lad 294]

A learned society that the rest of the world disagrees with? Hardly inspiring stuff is it?

I just took this off their website:

EDITOR'S NOTE: This blog was originally published on June 29. Due to recent questions on this topic, it's been reposted. News reports say the United States Preventive Services Task Force will next week release new recommendations saying that healthy men should no longer receive a PSA blood test to screen for prostate cancer. Reports say the USPSTF will say the test does not save lives and often leads to more tests and treatments that needlessly cause pain, impotence and incontinence. Otis W. Brawley, M.D., chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society, says the Society cannot comment on the evidence review or on the recommendations until they are made public.

http://www.cancer.org/cancer/news/expertvoices/post/2011/10/05/the-prostate-cancer-quandary.aspx

[Stan 386]

A learned society that the rest of the world disagrees with? Hardly inspiring stuff is it?

O.k. you are entitled to disagree with probably the leading authority,and their facts,but who is the `rest of the world' As with the others ,it seems pointless discussing the topic further as you seem to wish to ignore `freedom of choice' and informed fact.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

EDITOR'S NOTE: This blog was originally published on June 29. Due to recent questions on this topic, it's been reposted. News reports say the United States Preventive Services Task Force will next week release new recommendations saying that healthy men should no longer receive a PSA blood test to screen for prostate cancer. Reports say the USPSTF will say the test does not save lives and often leads to more tests and treatments that needlessly cause pain, impotence and incontinence. Otis W. Brawley, M.D., chief medical officer of the American Cancer Society, says the Society cannot comment on the evidence review or on the recommendations until they are made public.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

All leading countries test the general populace for breast cancer.

No leading counties test the general populace for PSA.

Prove me wrong if you can.

[LizzieM 9,511]

Bilboro-lad, I hope you don't die of un-diagnosed Prostate Cancer .........

[Bilboro-lad 294]

I hope that I don't have a needless operation that leaves me impotent too.

[Stan 386]

All leading countries test the general populace for breast cancer.

No leading counties test the general populace for PSA.

Prove me wrong if you can.

Australia by WHO standards was voted No.1 for health care in the world (would you want to be treated in the British NHS or the American system?).

So.

According to the Prostate Cancer Foundation of Australia around two-thirds of Australian men aged 40 to 74 have been given the Medicare-covered PSA test. He says testing will prevent 600 of the 3300 prostate cancer deaths expected this year.

"We must do some test to save patients' lives," says Dr Peter Ruthven, president of the Urological Society of Australian and New Zealand, whose members are involved in treating patients with prostate cancer. He notes the Task Force did not have any urologists on it.

Ruthven says if biopsies show a PSA-detected cancer is slow growing urologists now suggest it be actively monitored rather than routinely removed.

The Task Force estimates 90 per cent of men with PSA-detected prostate cancer undergo early treatment

But Ruthven says around 50 per cent of patients with such cancer still end up choosing treatment because they prefer to know the cancer has gone.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

So is the general populace of Australia screened? Nope. So why not?

http://www.cancerscreening.gov.au/internet/screening/publishing.nsf/Content/449D837448F6BA03CA25752700062313/$File/joint%20prostate%20screening%20statement.pdf

[Stan 386]

Again see 2013 report above,not the outdated one you quote. Yes, everyone has the right and opportunity to have a once a year PSA test at government expense.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/prostate-cancer-overdiagnosis-ruining-mens-lives-cancer-council/story-fneuzlbd-1226754452986

You are a cash cow mate - surely you can see that?

Published just 11 days ago as you seem obsessed by dates.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

"Up to five in 1000 men will die within one month of prostate cancer surgery and between 10 and 70 men will have serious complications but survive," says the Task Force report.

Meanwhile, it found mixed evidence on the benefits of screening. The Task Force reports that a US trial found no reduction in death from PSA screening, while a European trial found 1000 men aged between 55 and 69 would need to be screened in order to prevent one death.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2012/05/22/3508167.htm

[Stan 386]

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/prostate-cancer-overdiagnosis-ruining-mens-lives-cancer-council/story-fneuzlbd-1226754452986

You are a cash cow mate - surely you can see that?

Published just 11 days ago as you seem obsessed by dates.

A `rag' newspaper. The quoted individual,a `pencil-fairy' and ` number -cruncher'. NOT a doctor let alone a Urologist. The government will do all in its power to save money.

Prostate cancer still the No.1 NEW cancer in UK (25% of all new presentations.) I will still have all my standard annual checks. That is my INFORMED choice.!

[Bilboro-lad 294]

You are like a religious zealot. Nothing on the planet will change your mind. Good luck. If you ever find that country that tests the population for PSA - let me know won't you? It's not the UK, OZ, NZ, Canada,USA,or any country in Europe. And let's face it, if it were about money they'd stop screening for breast, cervical,and bowel cancer. You listen to your gp - you know, that doctor that gets paid for every PSA test that is carried out. That is your 'informed' choice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12911174

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11930979

[Stan 386]

. You listen to your gp - you know, that doctor that gets paid for every PSA test that is carried out. That is your 'informed' choice.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-12911174

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11930979

NOT in Australia. We have a super efficient system here. It is the pathology labs that get paid not the GP.

As no better information is yet to hand ,what is there to change my mind.The earlier the prostate cancer is picked up the more likely a cure. As I have said before ,but you have chosen to ignore,in Australia everyone is entitled to be tested once a year. Also,as previously stated ,2/3rds of the male population have taken advantage. This is why Australia has the finest health service in the world.

[Stan 386]

DATES again Bilboro. Dates. 2010 and 2011,-hardly news. As I have said before,the treatment and skill in the Australian system leave the NHS in Britain for dead (literally)

[Bilboro-lad 294]

You are grasping at straws mate. All relevant research goes back decades. Nothing to do with dates. The findings are what the findings are but you choose to put your head in Bondi Beach.

If you think that the Australian health service is so good - why do you disregard what they say about PSA testing? they are AGAINST it.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

NOT in Australia. We have a super efficient system here. It is the pathology labs that get paid not the GP.

For heaven's sake - they get a referral fee.

[Stan 386]

The G.P's get NO referral fee. That would in Australia constitute an inducement or bribe,and would very soon end with the courts and being struck off. Ours is a very efficient competition driven system. It is why it is so efficient. I had my PSA taken this morning I can phone 8 hours later for my results Not wait several weeks as in the UK

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BILBORO LAD READING THROUGH YOUR POSTSYOU MAKE OFFIAL QUOTES WHEN YOU CAN FIND THEM AND USE THEM OUT OF CONTEXT AND UNBALLANCED YOU ACCUSE THE MEDICAL PROFFESSION OF BEING INFLUENCED BY FEES YOU GET STROPPY WHEN SOME BODY CHALLENGES YOU HAVE NOT EASED ON ONE POINT YOU MAKE GLIB COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLES LIVES AND AGE YOU MAKE GLIB COMMENTS ABOUT PEOPLES EYESIGHT .I HAVE AN INVITATION TO AN OPEN EVENING WITH CONSULTANT SURGEON MR PARKINSON AND HIS TEAM STATING QUOTE WERE PASSIDNATE ABOUT WHAT WE DO AND I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU AN EXCITING DEVELOPMENT IN TREATMENT FOR DUR PATIENTS WITH PROSTATE CANCER END QUOTE NOW BILBORO LAD IF I TOOK YOUR ADVCE THIS LETTER FROM NOTTINGHAM CITY HOSPITAL WOULD GO IN THE BIN BUT I INTEND GOING TO THIS MEETING AND SHARING INFORMATION WITH PEOPLE ON THIS SITE OBVIOUSLY IF SOMETHING CAUSED ME CONCERN I WOULD QUESTION IT.BILBORO LAD YOU CAN NOT BE HYPICRITICAL AND CALL THE MEDICAL PROFFESSION BLACK AND BLUE ABDUT PC BUT USE THAT VERY SAME MEDICAL PROFFESSION TO SORT OUT YOUR OWN SERIOUS MEDICAL NEEDS OR IS IT JUST PC DOCTORS YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH .

[OLDACE 196]

Re. your post #138, before my operation the surgeon told me that about 1 in 200 die as a result of the op. I asked her how many she had lost. She replied 'none... so far'.

200-1 against seemed seemed a reasonable bet.

[OLDACE 196]

Stan, Re #145, in Shetland I have to wait 3 days for the result of my PSA, this is because the blood had to be sent to the mainland. When I was in Aberdeen, the wait was 2 hours.

[Bilboro-lad 294]

You've all got Google.

Tell me how many countries do random testing of the populace?

I'll give you a clue - the answer is less than one.

Why is that? Because the research by mainstream medical bodies are against it. Yes you'll find a few prostate cancer charities pushing it - but they would have to shut and all lose their jobs if they change their stance.

Referral fees are commonplace and quite legal.

Why are GPs going against the entire weight of specialists in the field? Fat wallets. That's why.

You've all got Google - start showing me some facts. (They won't. They'll whine on about what some specialist told them).

As for 1 in 200 dying of the operation - that's terrible. If you include all the old men that die of prostate cancer it only works out at 4.8 in 200.

Take into account account all of those that have serious conditions after tha op and I really think it's a waste of time - and so does the national health body of every EVERY country on the planet.

Do a Google.

Convince me the rest of the world is wrong and you are right.

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Even the rest of the world couldent convince you you were wrong just like another gentleman on this site when h is facts were found to be false he went off on one just as you do i still want to know why you used the individuals and organisations you have decried for your own illness and i do find it offensive when you talk about older people like they have no right to live and why did you ask your gp about a psa test stop hiding behind stuff you dont understand and stop trying to be macho .