Cliff Ton 10,529 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 A few pictures from today's Evening Post http://www.thisisnot...l/pictures.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Looks like it's going to be some size of a building that replaces the Odeon. According to the post, it will be three-storey on Angel Row, rising to nine and then fifteen-storeys at the rear. 450 students apartments and four shop units. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 We'll never get in The Bell! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bubblewrap 3,815 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Students in the bell? I would have thought it was not a student type pub(one can always live in hope ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 We'll never get in The Bell! Very salient point, Mick! Hopefully, The Bell will have limited appeal for them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 A pub next to a huge student complex, If I was the landlord I would cater for them. Maybe they would not have to shut the small bars early? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Quite some rant on the 'Nottingham' Facebook page tonight. Thoughts? 'NOTTINGHAM HISTORY IN DESTRUCTION FOLKS. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE NO TOURISM OR HISTORY TO RELATE TO FOLKS IN NOTTINGHAM. EVERT PART OF OUR DAM HERITAGE IN NOTTINGHAM HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. THE COUNCIL SAY THAT HERITAGE TOURISM DOES NOT WORK, B*******. EVERT PART OF OUR HISTORY HAS BEEN DESTROYED OVER THE YEARS. NOTTINGHAM IS FULL OF HISTORY, FORGET ROBIN HOOD (WHO BY THE WAY COULD BE SUCH A BENEFIT TO THE CITY, BUT THE COUNCIL ARE CLUELESS). HERITAGE AND TOURISM DOES WORK, JUST LOOK AT HISTORICAL LOCATIONS SUCH AS CHESTER, YORK, DURHAM ET AL. THE COUNCIL ARE ONLY BEGINNING TO LEARN OF WHAT A GEM OF A TOWN THEY HAVE ON THEIR HANDS' Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 They are clueless...That's why Sneinton Market and that side of town is a tip...they don't know what to do with it.Years of allowing retail parks to be built around the city...and they wonder why areas like Hockley and nearby areas are a ghost town. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,529 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 You can never know the meaning of the phrase "Ghost Town" unless you've been in Broad Marsh Centre in recent years. It makes all other Ghost Towns look busy in comparison. The biggest unit has been empty for a couple of years, half the other units change hands every 6 months, and the ones which are occupied are all Pound Shops. You see people wandering through in shocked amazement, obviously not prepared for what they found. Anyone coming into Nottingham from the railway station direction is confronted by an ugly, dirty, empty hole of a place. Great marketing and advertising. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Echo the sentiments regarding Broad Marsh, it's simply terrible, an ugly carbuncle and an embarrassment to the City of Nottingham. It's interesting to note the urge to create new retail premises in the city centre when it's clear that few areas appear to be doing well, for a number of reasons. Take a look around at our once fair city which is apparently, somewhat amazingly, in the top few cities in the UK we are told. Broad Marsh - poundshop city. Hockley - a lovely and characterful area that the council are doing their best to empty of trade with their road systems and parking fees.. West End Arcade - closed as a thoroughfare due to a dated and apparently dangerous escalator. Shop owners reporting huge loss of business. Trinity Square - as mentioned here unfeasibly ugly with long-term empy shop units. Flying Horse Arcade - just a criminal act Chapel Bar - tacky looking bar/restaurant land Market Square - one remaining significant business in Debenhams (who would clearly like to move out) I always liked Nottingham's city centre, I really did, but is has been ruined year on year, decade on decade. It would be easy for any visitor to view it merely as an evening weekend warzone with a dated '70s shopping mall containing predictable chain shops. Criminal. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 You missed one Stu Mount Street, the shopping arcade that never was. Despite having a bus station on its doorstep! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Certainly Mick, from another era. There are probably others too. Nottingham city centre retail seems to largely consist of Victoria Centre and that's about it. I'm sure if it could accommodate them via an extension, the rest of the large and significant stores such as Marks and Spencer and Debenhams would also relocate to there leaving outdoor shopping in Nottingham pretty much to the pound shops, charity shops, Greggs et al. Something has long needed doing in this city but the people in charge of city planning seem unable or unwilling to provide. You look at the likes of the Odeon which this thread is about and whilst it can be argued that it was an unlovely building, it certainly has fond memories for many over many decades. I take the point of a fellow poster above about using it but then why allow a fine building such as the T. Bailey Forman premise to be replaced by the Corner House cinema which immediately puts stress on the ability of an Odeon or an ABC to survive in the city centre? I do realise there are other mitigating factors however, the Odeon has sadly just been left to rot for years before coming up with the usual plan to convert it into student accommodation. I'd be very interested to know incidentally what plans there are to preserve (yes I'm joking!) the monks caves underneath the Odeon, or the nearby gardens which the centre of Nottingham was once famed for as a 'garden city'? I won't hold my breath... It would make a great thread, generally, if people listed all the fantastic places that we've lost in our lifetime. They come very readily to mind and are discussed here from time to time. As we know some of the examples are absolutely shameful. Drury Hill The Black Boy The Flying Horse The Victoria Station and so on. It goes on and on, but the people of this city appear to be powerless or unwilling to do or say anything about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mick2me 3,033 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 Yes, we are an unorganized rabble aren't we Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Michael Booth 7,364 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 They are not powerless, Stu but they are unwilling. Come the next elections the same people will all be voted back in to continue the ruination of our great city. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor S 2,003 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 A hit song by Cher in the early 70s comes to mind with this and many other topics about the once great town of Nottingham and surroundings:- 'If I could turn back time". Sadly it is not possible and one just hopes that sanity will prevail and what is left will be preserved for future generations - but I doubt it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted September 29, 2012 Report Share Posted September 29, 2012 They are not powerless, Stu but they are unwilling. Come the next elections the same people will all be voted back in to continue the ruination of our great city. Other parties that got voted in didn't do any better in respect of the above though, Michael. It's beyond party politics in my humble opinion, Nottingham has a terrible record on these things over a very long period of time, full stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moobug 3 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Wait... what happened to the Broadmarsh? What's happened to Hockley? All those charming arcades? I must have been away too long... I'll be in tears before the end of the night. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philby 21 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 A hit song by Cher in the early 70s comes to mind with this and many other topics about the once great town of Nottingham and surroundings:- 'If I could turn back time". Sadly it is not possible and one just hopes that sanity will prevail and what is left will be preserved for future generations - but I doubt it! i'm sure that cher song was from the mid 80's trevor as for baffling planning decisions, am i correct in thinking that notts trams are going to be routed over nottingham station in the future? if only there was a bridge, double track wouldn't that be handy? wait, what, there was? it was demolished in the late 70's? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,529 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 The tram line from Broad Marsh, going south, almost exactly follows the line of the old Great Central railway. http://www.thetram.net/pdfs/phase2Map/clifton-via-wilford.pdf As Phil Box points out, they've had to build a new bridge over the railway station to replace the one which was demolished. The tram viaduct near Broad Marsh car park was built to replace a viaduct which was in exactly the same location. The railway embankments which had survived near Wilford and Compton Acres are being reused for the tram. The Toll Bridge is being adjusted to take the tram. The Victorians were right; the planners of the 1960s were wrong. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I think the last time a Nottingham council looked to the future with common sense was when they built the ring road in 1931...a big wide road not at all necessary when it was built...but boy has it proved useful as traffic has increased. If only they'd had the guts in the sixties to go left up Edwards Lane,over Bestwood and onto Redhill as they originally planned it would have saved all the jams in Daybrook. Same with access to the M1 through Clifton...the thought was there but not the gumption.All the houses set back to allow a dual carriageway, but fifty years on they're still thinking about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trevor S 2,003 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 "i'm sure that cher song was from the mid 80's trevor " You are right phil box and I stand corrected - released on June 1, 1989. Must have been looking at something else. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cliff Ton 10,529 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Same with access to the M1 through Clifton...the thought was there but not the gumption.All the houses set back to allow a dual carriageway, but fifty years on they're still thinking about it. The thought seems to be finally sinking in http://www.thisisnot...tail/story.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 If only they'd had the guts in the sixties to go left up Edwards Lane,over Bestwood and onto Redhill as they originally planned it would have saved all the jams in Daybrook. Not really. The jams every day aren't so much in Daybrook as Sherwood and Carrington. I circumnavigate them every day. It wouldn't have helped that and that proposed road would have had to trample through through yet another piece of local countryside. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
poohbear 1,360 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 The jams in the morning can run from Redhill right through...I drive too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
.... 23 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 It's not generally the case. I drive too - that exact piece of road every rush hour morning and evening. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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